i got a question for all you apa bashers

[Banks]

Yes, yes we will. And I'm only a part-time pool player (about 2 times a week) but I feel like I complain like a full time player

My favorite topic to complain about is table setup and quality. I absolutely have having a nicely hit shot go bad because the cueball rolls sideways at a 90% angle after it's almost stopped to hook you or the rails do something funny.

I complain about the bartender taking away my beer before it's all gone or giving me a measured pour. Sometimes I complain when my opponent wins, too.

 

[Celophanewrap]

I don't like the APA because I don't like the rules. I also don't like many of the people that are in the APA because they just want to win instead of play well and are generally clueless about any type of pool existence outside of bar playing. They get amazed that people try different shafts and tips and actually know the difference. Oh BOB, HE DID NOT MARK HIS POCKET!!!! Well yea the 8 ball was in the jaws. SO WHAT! U LOOOSEEE! HEHEHE!!! BOB, gimme another beer so I can stumble around the tables more.

Plus it's based on so much bar playing, many people that play APA hardly know the real rules to begin with which ends up them playing a mix of APA and made up bar rules when they play outside of league. And that drives real players batty.

Most houses or tournaments have at least a couple of rules specific to the event or venue, and if you went from bar to bar it's entirely likely that rules would change with every beer. The APA rules, though somewhat odd to the "real player" are an attempt to standardize one set that we can take from place to place. Since the APA doesn't utilize the "real rules" there is really no need to know them if they don't apply. Personally, If I go into a room and I'm an event that is not APA I make it my business to know the applicable rules. This marking the pocket crap, I believe is a bit overboard, but to me so is having to call any pocket or even worse is having to call a shot. You know - off the back board, through the legs, behind the back, nuthin' but net. Generally there is one way a ball can make it into the pocket, do you really need me to tell you how for it to count, and further more - did you really have a question about where I intended to put my 8 ball. The rules are only stupid if you don't understand them and they are different in places. It's human nature to resist change, if they're different than you're used to, or differ from what you think or expect them to be then it's only human nature to resist and not like them. It's not a serious issue, not everyone can adapt. Sometimes this can be more serious of a proposition, You've had friends that were good people that you trusted that are horrible parents? Well, kids and a family tend to change the rules a bit. Not everyone is cut out to be a father or a husband. Similarly, the APA isn't for everyone, I would suggest that some of you just leave it alone, it's not good for you.

 

[lorider]

I don't like the APA because I don't like the rules. I also don't like many of the people that are in the APA because they just want to win instead of play well and are generally clueless about any type of pool existence outside of bar playing. They get amazed that people try different shafts and tips and actually know the difference. Oh BOB, HE DID NOT MARK HIS POCKET!!!! Well yea the 8 ball was in the jaws. SO WHAT! U LOOOSEEE! HEHEHE!!! BOB, gimme another beer so I can stumble around the tables more.

Plus it's based on so much bar playing, many people that play APA hardly know the real rules to begin with which ends up them playing a mix of APA and made up bar rules when they play outside of league. And that drives real players batty.

this post right here proved my point. not your reply ... the post count in this thread already.

12 posts in less than an hour simply becuse of the 3 letters "APA" in the tile.

micky qualls started a thread about an issue he had with bcapl. it got 12 replys in 24 hours and died.

thats the point i was trying to make in this thread.

when some one comes on here with an issue about bcapl ALL YOU HEAR IS CRICKETS.

if some one just mentions the 3 letters apa people can't wait to get in the thread and start .bashing.

look back at last years apa debacle with an apa captain had an unqualified player it started a firestorm on here.

this year a bcapl lo knowingly added an unqualified player on his personal team at the nationals " which is far worse in my opinion " and all you heard on here was crickets and the thread died quickly.

now what that tells me is if some one does wrong in apa all of you come on here and bash away. if the same or worse happens in bcapl all of you ain't got shit to say.

i just wanna know why.

 

[mcsock]

I play in 2 apa leagues. Yes, to a SMALL degree there are people who manipulate the hdcp system, to a small degree, league operators do questionable things. We just work within the system and enjoy the game.

There is a local straight pool league that uses bca rules, but the hdcp are done by 1 honest person. People new to that league have a rep, or people knowing them before they even start. Local "top shooter" gives a lot of weight at times, over 100 balls in a race to 150. But also give only 25 balls to other higher level players. If you want honest hdcp, no favorites, for poor to every good players, just run your own league. Then if there are issues you can address them right then and rule for the good of most, not for the few.

 

[JeremiahGage]

Here in Albuquerque, the APA is completely saturated with the idea of sandbagging. When I first joined, my team insisted that I intentional miss shots to keep my rating low for as long as possible. This was entirely against my nature as a pool player, so I did not follow the advice. My team then started intentionally distracting me and buying me drinks so that I would play worse. After a few weeks I went up to a 7 and they didn't have much use for me anymore due to the limit on team handicaps. Needless to say, I haven't played APA since.

Also, a few of the rules bother me: an 8 on the break should not be a win, shots should be called, a scratch on the 8 should not be a loss, and double-hits should not be overlooked (when I read the rulebook, it said double-hits are generally acceptable during league play).

Every handicap system is going to have sandbagging, but the game doesn't have to revolve around it. Right now, I play in the USA Pool League (sister league of the BCAPL, ran by CSI) which has the same format as the APA. The USAPL rating system is point-based and ranges from 30 to 125. We also use the BCAPL rules and are looking forward to attending the USAPL event in Las Vegas at the Rio.

 

[Highmiles]

Actually APA can, and does locally. When I started in 9-ball, they bumped me from a 3 to a 6 based on my 8-ball ranking, even though I had never played a game of 9-ball in APA.

 

[Banks]

Actually APA can, and does locally. When I started in 9-ball, they bumped me from a 3 to a 6 based on my 8-ball ranking, even though I had never played a game of 9-ball in APA.

I think that in some cases, they use your 8b rating as your 9b rating when starting out.

 

[itsfroze]

this post right here proved my point. not your reply ... the post count in this thread already.

12 posts in less than an hour simply becuse of the 3 letters "APA" in the tile.

micky qualls started a thread about an issue he had with bcapl. it got 12 replys in 24 hours and died.

thats the point i was trying to make in this thread.

when some one comes on here with an issue about bcapl ALL YOU HEAR IS CRICKETS.

if some one just mentions the 3 letters apa people can't wait to get in the thread and start .bashing.

look back at last years apa debacle with an apa captain had an unqualified player it started a firestorm on here.

this year a bcapl lo knowingly added an unqualified player on his personal team at the nationals " which is far worse in my opinion " and all you heard on here was crickets and the thread died quickly.

now what that tells me is if some one does wrong in apa all of you come on here and bash away. if the same or worse happens in bcapl all of you ain't got shit to say.

i just wanna know why.

Actually Mark came on AZ and squashed that, no crickets sorry.

 

[lorider]

Actually Mark came on AZ and squashed that, no crickets sorry.

1st off i want to say i have always respected mark and what he has done for pool in general.

this thread ain't about him though. its about the hypocrisy of the posters on this forum.

lets disregard the thread where the bcapl lo cheated at the nationals if you want to.

what about micky qualls thread where the lo allows 2 master players on the same team which ain't allowed at the national level? nuthin but crickets.

what about the thread where 2 bacpl teams put in false scores for a match that never took place ? nuthin but crickets.

yet you type apa in any thread title " such as this one or the other one titled apa question" and you get more replys in 2 hours than in the 2 bcapl threads i mentioned did in 2 days.

sad part is most of the replys in an apa thread is bashing apa for issues that do not even pertain to the subject of the thread.

its a double standard on this forum regarding these 2 leagues that no one can deny .

i would just like a logical answer to a valid question.

 

[Spimp13]

I think that in some cases, they use your 8b rating as your 9b rating when starting out.

Yep...I'm currently a 7 in 8 ball and a cough cough 7 in 9 ball

 

[btown]

this post right here proved my point. not your reply ... the post count in this thread already.

12 posts in less than an hour simply becuse of the 3 letters "APA" in the tile.

micky qualls started a thread about an issue he had with bcapl. it got 12 replys in 24 hours and died.

thats the point i was trying to make in this thread.

when some one comes on here with an issue about bcapl ALL YOU HEAR IS CRICKETS.

if some one just mentions the 3 letters apa people can't wait to get in the thread and start .bashing.

look back at last years apa debacle with an apa captain had an unqualified player it started a firestorm on here.

this year a bcapl lo knowingly added an unqualified player on his personal team at the nationals " which is far worse in my opinion " and all you heard on here was crickets and the thread died quickly.

now what that tells me is if some one does wrong in apa all of you come on here and bash away. if the same or worse happens in bcapl all of you ain't got shit to say.

i just wanna know why.

It's because APA SUCKS

 

[RFranklin]

Apa

Someone briefly mentioned somthing other than sandbagging but the rules stink too. Slop in 8 and I absolutely hate the 9 ball rules. No roll out, no 3 foul. It is really a modifed rotation game that scores like straight pool. I cant tell you how many times I have lost to 4 because of all the "weight" that goes with a high handicap and have to hear him bragging to his friend about his single 4 ball run. Breaking once in the entire set. Sandbagging is going to happen in ALL leagues, some are better than others but I have played BCA and APA and I will tell you accross the board, without a doubt, your average BCA player will destroy an APA player. That being said, most towns offer multiple APA leagues versus 1 BCA option. It is a necessary evil

 

[Spimp13]

With all the APA whining that goes on you would think these people are being forced to play in the league. Do you get pistol whipped if you don't join?

 

[itsfroze]

1st off i want to say i have always respected mark and what he has done for pool in general.

this thread ain't about him though. its about the hypocrisy of the posters on this forum.

lets disregard the thread where the bcapl lo cheated at the nationals if you want to.

what about micky qualls thread where the lo allows 2 master players on the same team which ain't allowed at the national level? nuthin but crickets.

what about the thread where 2 bacpl teams put in false scores for a match that never took place ? nuthin but crickets.

yet you type apa in any thread title " such as this one or the other one titled apa question" and you get more replys in 2 hours than in the 2 bcapl threads i mentioned did in 2 days.

sad part is most of the replys in an apa thread is bashing apa for issues that do not even pertain to the subject of the thread.

its a double standard on this forum regarding these 2 leagues that no one can deny .

i would just like a logical answer to a valid question.

Let me be honest with you. People bash the APA why?
Short answer.
It sucks.!
There you have it! :thumbup:
:rotflmao1:

.

 

[justadub]

You already know the answer. It's a superiority thing. "Good pool players" like to look down their noses at the lowly APA players.

A little of it comes from justifiable points of view, that get repeated often enough that folks tend to think that the bad behavior is the rule, not the exception. That perception becomes reality for those who like to look down on others.

People always like to bash that which is popular. It's cool.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

It's because APA SUCKS

Nice thought invoking post

Here is the thing, APA doesn't want people to sandbag. They actively discourage it and teams are disqualified from the nation event every year for it. Not every LO is going to be a good LO. Players who choose to cheat the system would probably try and cheat any handicapped system.

I play in APA and while I have had some differences, and I do not agree with some of the rules (no push out in 9ball WTF) the players in the league I play in are not cheaters. Maybe I am lucky. Who knows.

Don't hate the system, hate the people who abuse it. If somebody is actively cheating it is very important to make that known to the LO. They can review the player and address the situation. If nobody makes a complaint the LO will never know. So make sure to let them know.

 

[RFranklin]

League Operators

You already know the answer. It's a superiority thing. "Good pool players" like to look down their noses at the lowly APA players.

A little of it comes from justifiable points of view, that get repeated often enough that folks tend to think that the bad behavior is the rule, not the exception. That perception becomes reality for those who like to look down on others.

People always like to bash that which is popular. It's cool.

Two other points -
APA tries to exterminate all other leagues by immediately killing the membership of anyone asociated with starting other leagues
APA REQUIRES you to play the proceeding session if you qualified for regionals or your city or tricup, whch coincidentally seem to make you have to re-up your annual membership......so yes, in a way.. you do get pistol whipped Matt :grin:

 

[Banks]

Someone briefly mentioned somthing other than sandbagging but the rules stink too. Slop in 8 and I absolutely hate the 9 ball rules. No roll out, no 3 foul. It is really a modifed rotation game that scores like straight pool. I cant tell you how many times I have lost to 4 because of all the "weight" that goes with a high handicap and have to hear him bragging to his friend about his single 4 ball run. Breaking once in the entire set. Sandbagging is going to happen in ALL leagues, some are better than others but I have played BCA and APA and I will tell you accross the board, without a doubt, your average BCA player will destroy an APA player. That being said, most towns offer multiple APA leagues versus 1 BCA option. It is a necessary evil

This has been gone over before, but the rules are actually quite similar to what people had been playing for years in 8b. In 9b, iirc, a few of those 'major' rules today were introduced via Texas Express in order to speed up the game.

I've lost to plenty of 4's. Why? Because they played better for a 4 than I played for a 9. It isn't like I'm playing in the APA to make money. I could cut that night out and do a tournament if that's what I wanted out of my night.

You're right in that your average BCA player is a bit better, but that's because both leagues are geared towards different players. The APA is more of a recreational/fun league, while the BCA caters more towards your serious player. One of my favorite things is to ask BCA players to po$t up against an APA player when they start knocking it. Not many are willing to and some of our best area players also play APA.

With all the APA whining that goes on you would think these people are being forced to play in the league. Do you get pistol whipped if you don't join?

You'd think so, right?! Makes me almost not want to go play tonight.. ok, well, not quite.

 

[RFranklin]

This has been gone over before, but the rules are actually quite similar to what people had been playing for years in 8b. In 9b, iirc, a few of those 'major' rules today were introduced via Texas Express in order to speed up the game.

The Texas Express rules have been around for 30+ years and APA hasnt. That is my only complaint. I know I am beating a dead horse but, hey, I am a nine ball player. You probably are too if you are also a 9 in 9 ball. :grin:


You're right in that your average BCA player is a bit better, but that's because both leagues are geared towards different players. The APA is more of a recreational/fun league, while the BCA caters more towards your serious player.

I am not a gambler but here in Austin, most of your APA players arent the gamblers so if you told them to post you would get a blank stare.

 

[lorider]

Someone briefly mentioned somthing other than sandbagging but the rules stink too. Slop in 8 and I absolutely hate the 9 ball rules. No roll out, no 3 foul. It is really a modifed rotation game that scores like straight pool. I cant tell you how many times I have lost to 4 because of all the "weight" that goes with a high handicap and have to hear him bragging to his friend about his single 4 ball run. Breaking once in the entire set. Sandbagging is going to happen in ALL leagues, some are better than others but I have played BCA and APA and I will tell you accross the board, without a doubt, your average BCA player will destroy an APA player. That being said, most towns offer multiple APA leagues versus 1 BCA option. It is a necessary evil

you bring up some very valid points and there is a lot of truth to what you say.

i don't have a problem with people not liking some of the rules or the slop. and yes there is sandbagging in all leagues and for that matter cheating and bending rules to your advantage and all sorts of shady characters in all leagues.

i myself find some faults with apa.

what i have a problem with is it seems ok with this forum for a bcapl lo to cheat at the nationals but not an apa captain.

it seems ok for a bcapl lo to make a controversial ruling in his league but not an apa lo

it seems ok for a bcapl team captain to falsify scores in a match but not ok for an apa captain to tell his player to dump a game.

that is the message most of the posters on this board are sending me whenever thay pop outa the woodwork to bash an incident that happens in apa but yet when the same incident "or worse " happens in bcapl these same posters are silent.