i got a question for all you apa bashers

[Allen Brown]

Lorider, do you think it might have anything to do with some players thinking that the APA players have came in and taken over my pool room? I don't know anything about the APA and this is just a thought.

Some people look at the pool room as "their" turf. Maybe they can't play pool when they want to because the league has all of the tables occupied? I'm just throwing a random thought out their.

 

[Banks]

My only beefs are that I do not like bein told when I have to go to the poolroom, I also hate goin to the poolroom and not playing pool

That's why I play at a bar.

 

[lorider]

Lorider, do you think it might have anything to do with some players thinking that the APA players have came in and taken over my pool room? I don't know anything about the APA and this is just a thought.

Some people look at the pool room as "their" turf. Maybe they can't play pool when they want to because the league has all of the tables occupied? I'm just throwing a random thought out their.

tell your room owner to do what mine is .... expand .:grin:

on a serious note .. i get what you are saying. that is the downside to apa's popularity i guess. but on the bright side i believe all leagues in general keeps some rooms from closing.

 

[lorider]

promises, promises....

:embarrassed2::grin:

all those icons for me ?

i admit i probably went overboard with my rant ....ok ?

but i felt it need to be said.the thing is nobody can dispute i am right about this hence the crickets.

 

[Jaden]

I have no qualms...

you are 100 % correct. that is basically what i have been saying all along is that no league is perfect.i don't mind someone posting i don;t like x league and give whatever reason why or saying i prefer x league and giving whatever reason why.

i will state right now my favorite league is napa because it combines the best of what i like about apa and bcapl. i think that statement right there would suprise a lot of people on here considering my staunch support of apa in face of all the apa haters on here.

in closing i just want to comment on the fact that there have been 150 views to this thread since i made my last post. no comment from the apa haters ?

its ok. i understand .... kinda hard to dispute the facts concerning all the hypocrisy you display in your apa bashing.

The APA SUCKS!!!!

No single entity has been more responsible for destroying pro pool.

I will only stick up for leagues that try to support the top level pool and in that regards, only BCAPL, CSI and Mark Griffin deserve kudos.

Jaden

 

[krupa]

The APA SUCKS!!!!

No single entity has been more responsible for destroying pro pool.

I will only stick up for leagues that try to support the top level pool and in that regards, only BCAPL, CSI and Mark Griffin deserve kudos.

Jaden

Wow. What did they do?

 

[justadub]

all those icons for me ?

i admit i probably went overboard with my rant ....ok ?

Not at all, I think you are right.

I'm just having a little fun, pokin' at ya, is all.

 

[lorider]

That's why I play at a bar.

if you played at my fav pool room you would not go back to a bar.

 

[justadub]

The APA SUCKS!!!!

No single entity has been more responsible for destroying pro pool.

I will only stick up for leagues that try to support the top level pool and in that regards, only BCAPL, CSI and Mark Griffin deserve kudos.

Jaden

I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek...?

Otherwise, how did the APA do anything to damage pro pool? I think the pro's themselves (along with certain promoters, et al) have done a very good job all by themselves of destroying pro pool, they certainly didn't need the APAs help in doing so.

Mark Griffin deserves kudos in general, for keeping on keeping on, fighting the good fight. I appreciate everything he does for ALL pool in the US.

 

[lorider]

The APA SUCKS!!!!

No single entity has been more responsible for destroying pro pool.

I will only stick up for leagues that try to support the top level pool and in that regards, only BCAPL, CSI and Mark Griffin deserve kudos.

Jaden

i agree with you .... not about apa sucks .. but your opinion of bcapl , csi and mark griffin.

i am not aware of bcapl directly supporting top level pool but yes csi and mark griffin are heavily involved and i support their efforts also.

see... an apa player can agree with most of your viewpoint . this thread is not directly about apa, bcapl or any league for that matter.


this thread is about the hypocrisy displayed on this forum bashing controversial issues in one league and totally ignoring the same issues in another league. but i digress.i said case closed on this matter.i just wanted to clear the air here about what this thread is about.

 

[lorider]

I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek...?

Otherwise, how did the APA do anything to damage pro pool? I think the pro's themselves (along with certain promoters, et al) have done a very good job all by themselves of destroying pro pool, they certainly didn't need the APAs help in doing so.

Mark Griffin deserves kudos in general, for keeping on keeping on, fighting the good fight. I appreciate everything he does for ALL pool in the US.

hey dub ... jaden is a cool dude in my book even if though the hatred for apa is ingrained deeply inside him. let him hate if he wants. debating him on here ain't gonna change his mind about apa.

you are spot on about your assesment of pro pool today. even mark griffin is tired of their antics and has cut back his support of them.

hey jaden i wanna ask you a question.

do you think a league oughta allow their lo's to play on a team at the national level ?

 

[lorider]

Not at all, I think you are right.

I'm just having a little fun, pokin' at ya, is all.

yea i know. doing the same with you. :thumbup:

 

[itsfroze]

all those icons for me ?

i admit i probably went overboard with my rant ....ok ?

but i felt it need to be said.the thing is nobody can dispute i am right about this hence the crickets.

How wrong you are, the only reason for the crickets is people are just tired of your bottomless rant.
You act like there's some sort of conspiracy and everyone got together and decided to not say bad
stuff about the BCAPL. What a crock you can't be serious.
You are though that is what is so funny. :grin:

I'm done here!

 

[Jaden]

I said no SINGLE entity...

I'm assuming this is tongue in cheek...?

Otherwise, how did the APA do anything to damage pro pool? I think the pro's themselves (along with certain promoters, et al) have done a very good job all by themselves of destroying pro pool, they certainly didn't need the APAs help in doing so.

Mark Griffin deserves kudos in general, for keeping on keeping on, fighting the good fight. I appreciate everything he does for ALL pool in the US.

The players being disorganized and self serving (although necessarily so) has been more damaging. As a single entity though the APA has almost gone out of their way to dismiss pro pool while being in the greatest position to affect pro pool in a positive way.

If they were to hold pro events and promote them through their organization, they would have been able to create more interest in pro pool in more people than ANY other organization.

Or even if they were to just work with promoters to promote pro events through their organization with all of the players they have access to, they could have helped pro pool in ways no one has been able to.

Through inaction, they have contributed to the suffering of pro pool, so I cannot support them in any way.

I don't play in any league but if I did, it would only be the USAPL, the BCAPL or Joe Tucker's American Rotation.

Jaden

 

[KRJ]

I prefer ACS leagues. The money all goes back to the players, there is only a $10 yearly membership fee that goes to ACS, that's it, that's their cut. ACS has state and national events.. and ANYONE can play, you don't have to qualify.. get a team, jump on a plane, and compete with folks all over the country

I"ve played leagues all over the place, and it's impossible to "sandbag" and still have your team win. yeah, you can have some guy on a team, and he can tank it all session because he does not care if you win or lose, but wants a lower HC to play at state, national or some local tourneys...

but even then, he can tank to play at national or state to be in the "standard" division rather than the "open" division. The standard division is akin to about players at the apa 4 level. Thus, there is also not much money awarded, and the ACS players are playing for the "trophy" and personal pride.

So, if some guy wants to pay $10 or so a week, for months, just to win a few hundo at state, god bless him. Cause once you "cash" in the standard division, you are TOAST, you have to move up to the open division.

Also, I just do not prefer the "match" format of the apa and other leagues, where you must sit for an hour or sometimes several hours to play your "match". I like where I get to play every player on the other team once or twice (depends if 3 man or 5 man team) and you play a game every 10 to 15 minutes, and boom it's over. Maybe last 2 to 2 1/2 hours. I also don't like the rules... kinda silly imho as to think any player can't handle playing by 'standard" rules....most apa players would have no problem eliminating slop or open table after break...

So, I play ACS, twice a week. Once you try it, you might find yourself asking why you ever played anything else

 

[Banks]

The players being disorganized and self serving (although necessarily so) has been more damaging. As a single entity though the APA has almost gone out of their way to dismiss pro pool while being in the greatest position to affect pro pool in a positive way.

If they were to hold pro events and promote them through their organization, they would have been able to create more interest in pro pool in more people than ANY other organization.

Or even if they were to just work with promoters to promote pro events through their organization with all of the players they have access to, they could have helped pro pool in ways no one has been able to.

Through inaction, they have contributed to the suffering of pro pool, so I cannot support them in any way.

I don't play in any league but if I did, it would only be the USAPL, the BCAPL or Joe Tucker's American Rotation.

Jaden

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Ask MLB what they do for players. It's a relationship, not a charity. I play APA for entertainment and never once have I seen or heard about a pro dropping in to market themselves. APA shouldn't be giving handouts for nothing and that's what it sounds like you're suggesting.

 

[Jaden]

I didn't say they should...

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Ask MLB what they do for players. It's a relationship, not a charity. I play APA for entertainment and never once have I seen or heard about a pro dropping in to market themselves. APA shouldn't be giving handouts for nothing and that's what it sounds like you're suggesting.

To not see it as a potential for growth is VERY short sighted.

JAden

 

[Banks]

To not see it as a potential for growth is VERY short sighted.

JAden

Exactly. If I wanted to make a living doing something, I would find my target audience/employer and sell the hell out of myself. The APA is where the money is flowing and it's being treated like a problem. Look at BCA, they've worked their tails off to do something akin to charity and they keep getting a slap in the face. APA is supposed to follow that lead?

 

[lorider]

The players being disorganized and self serving (although necessarily so) has been more damaging. As a single entity though the APA has almost gone out of their way to dismiss pro pool while being in the greatest position to affect pro pool in a positive way.

If they were to hold pro events and promote them through their organization, they would have been able to create more interest in pro pool in more people than ANY other organization.

Or even if they were to just work with promoters to promote pro events through their organization with all of the players they have access to, they could have helped pro pool in ways no one has been able to.

Through inaction, they have contributed to the suffering of pro pool, so I cannot support them in any way.

I don't play in any league but if I did, it would only be the USAPL, the BCAPL or Joe Tucker's American Rotation.

Jaden

jaden i agree that the apa organization itself could help pro pool. but getting the players to?.... it aint happening.

amatures of all leagues don't care about pro pool. i recall a thread on here a while back about having league players donate 1.00 a week in fees to go towards helping pro pool. that idea was shot down quick like by just about every one on here from all leagues.

what do you think any league organization could do to get their players to support pro pool ? the league organizations theirselves could and maybe should help sponsor pro pool getting the average league player to support pro pool? i just dont see it.

heck this forum is filled with people serious about pool .... you cant get 1/4 the members on here to support pros..

 

[lorider]

Exactly. If I wanted to make a living doing something, I would find my target audience/employer and sell the hell out of myself. The APA is where the money is flowing and it's being treated like a problem. Look at BCA, they've worked their tails off to do something akin to charity and they keep getting a slap in the face. APA is supposed to follow that lead?

man you type faster than me.:thumbup:

we basically said the same thing but mine more long winded .