I had a vision today of many pool rooms, and bars closing soon

[KCarson1]

Stopped to buy Gas, that was $2.87.9/Gal. last week, and it is now $3.05.9./Gal. News media is saying gas will go to $4.00/Gal by summer.

Guess I will be staying home this weekend, and not making the planned trip to Tempe Sunday for a tournament.

I will point the blame finger at the environmentalists who will not allow, have blocked exploration for oil in the U.S., and have not allowed needed new refineries to be built in the U.S.

PoolSleuth-

Fall off your hobby horse and hit your head?

Reach for the sprouts but grab the loco weed by mistake?

You can blame the evironmentalists to some degree, but blame the current crop of politicians and lobbyists in Washington even more.

If the recessions deepens, look for certain poolrooms to do even better than when the economy is healthier.

 

[KCarson1]

Guys, ethanol is a fraud. It is more costly than fossil fuel and gains us nothing but a good feeling.

Ethanol is excellent for burnishing tips and is also very good for putting a final slick and shine on the shaft.

As a fuel, it sucks.

The lower cost is more than offset by the decreased mileage.

 

[Irish634]

Gas has went up about four dollars a tank. I hate it too but in the real world my expenses have went up about one cent a mile. That means it costs me almost a dollar a day extra to drive back and forth to my shop, an extra twenty or twenty-five dollars a month.

If the rise in the cost of gas is really the deal breaker for you, you had no business going to a tournament anyway unless you were a sure bet to cash. If you are a sure bet to cash the gas increase is all the more reason to go.

The sky may be falling but it hasn't yet!

Hu

Well, I need to move where you are, because gas is up $0.80 a gallon from a year ago. That amounts to $18.40 extra in my 23 gallon Jeep tank. I have to fill up every 3-4 days so that amounts to roughly $1900-$2000 extra out of my budget from a year ago. That amount is more if I decide to go someplace.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

You can blame the evironmentalists to some degree, but blame the current crop of politicians and lobbyists in Washington even more.

That is the GOLDEN RULE at work, as the guys and gals with the GOLD make the rules that effect everyone.

We get the best politicians representing our interests that money can buy, politicians, and they will spend many,many, many of millions for a job that goes 2 years, and pay 125k/ year.

 

[ShootingArts]

actually gas is up three dollars a gallon

Well, I need to move where you are, because gas is up $0.80 a gallon from a year ago. That amounts to $18.40 extra in my 23 gallon Jeep tank. I have to fill up every 3-4 days so that amounts to roughly $1900-$2000 extra out of my budget from a year ago. That amount is more if I decide to go someplace.

I was using his baseline. You say gas is up eighty cents a gallon, I could just as easily say gas is up three dollars a gallon since I sold it for 19.9 back in 1970. My point was and is that there is no significant difference in the cost of the gas to make the trip he was talking about.

Just as a note of interest, the tax was eight cents a gallon in 1970 so we actually sold gas for 11.9 plus tax. Even with tax at about 40 cents a gallon now few things have went up as fast as the price of gasoline over the years.

Hu

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Just as a note of interest, the tax was eight cents a gallon in 1970 so we actually sold gas for 11.9 plus tax. Even with tax at about 40 cents a gallon now few things have went up as fast as the price of gasoline over the years.

I remember paying 19.9 Cents/Gal. for Gas in 1970. That was CHEAP.

 

[olauzon]

There are not too many places in Oregon yet involved in biofuels! If your place has any issues with fermentation performance, take advantage and give me a buzz at wlushia@ferm-solutions.com -- fixing fermentation problems is our main area of expertise! Most of the time we do it for free -- our reward is the business we gain from helping people -- meaning when our solutions actually solve the problem they end up purchasing from us. My main job is teaching biochemistry and genetics to medical students, but this is a side business that has been very successful so far. Warren..

warren, thanks for the offer, but i'm not into this anymore. it was a project in scandinavia some 15 years ago. i'm doing thermo chemistry now, on the other side of the 'do good' scale

 

[olauzon]

It is a fraud because it costs about 25% more to create ethanol than it sells for on the market. Gov't subsidies and involvement in biofuels breeds waaste and corruption

i don't know what they haven't figured out yet. but when you're producing ethanol you get methanol as a by, and that you'd convert to electricity, steam, heat, and now you're running the plant for free. it's a pretty lucrative business if you have the infrastructure.

 

[manwon]

Seems to me it's about living in a gobal economy instead of national economy. Things have to even out.

Jim I totally agree, the only problem that faces us as a Nation is pulling our collective heads out of ass and understanding what Global means. Jim I think the Government understands what must be done, however, to do it will take away the Excess AMERICANS ENJOY SO MUCH and they are afraid to do what needs to be done. The average person in this country has no idea what is really going on outside their neighborhood much less their our city. When you speak of Global most people do not have any interest in the conversation.

When and if our Nation becomes part of the Global economy, things are going to change, just like they currently are changing in Europe. The nations that once had so much have had to sacrifice a great deal, and while the Euro will work in time it is only the beginning of change on a Global basis. Right now by all reports the Euro is doing well as a whole, but not so well for those in the middle and lower classes. Like other posters have stated the world economy is having major troubles at this time. One of the few countries that is in a position to take advantage of this is China. China is buying everyones debt, including ours, but there again how many Americans know this, and of those who do, how many even care.

Like I said, Americans as a Nation and a People had better wake up, things are certainly going to get very bad in the near future and Smoking Bans in pool halls will be the least of many peoples worries. It is kinda frightening when you think about it, but the next Black Friday may just be around the corner and know one is truly paying attention.

 

[ShootingArts]

yes but . . .

I remember paying 19.9 Cents/Gal. for Gas in 1970. That was CHEAP.

To put things in perspective, the minimum wage was $1.25, fifty dollars for a forty hour week. I thought I would be quite comfortable at $200 a week net, and I was right!

Hu

 

[supergreenman]

I will point the blame finger at the environmentalists who will not allow, have blocked exploration for oil in the U.S., and have not allowed needed new refineries to be built in the U.S.

Get a grip, try blaming your trigger happy president, the fact that the US is dependent on imported conventional oil supplies which are getting harder and harder to find, the US obsession with big SUVs with low fuel efficiency, colussion between the oil companies to soak the consumer and a middle east Oil cartel that sets quotas on the amount of oil that is pumped from out of the sand in order to maximize thier profits from the west.

I'm sure I forgot a few factors, but saying environmentalists have an influence over the price of oil is like saying a magic 8 ball (to keep it pool related) effects the decisions that come out of the whitehouse.

Point your finger at yourself before you start blaming people who give a shi1t about the shape the planet will be in for our grandchildren.

 

[whitewolf]

8 years of Bush turned this country upside down. I can't think of one area that he excelled in.

That's because you can't think outside of the box, or possibly at all.

If it weren't for the US, the terrorists would have already either occupied all the MiddleEast by now or blown up all of the oil wells. If you read the news, you would know that they already tried this with the Saudi's.

One year of Obama is going to be worse than 40 years of the Republican administration. Just wait and see.

 

[JoeyA]

I do not think that this will have much effect on pool rooms unless they are located in remote area's, that people must drive to. It has been a fact of history over the last hundred years that when the economy go's in the toilet well located pool rooms only increase there normal business. Now while this is a sad fact, it also is very true.

When looking at pool rooms from the perspective of an owner, location is the most important factor in the planning process.

Good Day Bruce!!!!

Yes, you are correct. Owning a pool hall near the working poor is the nuts.

Let there be a genuine economic depression and watch how lean and mean the pool players can get.
JoeyA

 

[chefjeff]

Guys, ethanol is a fraud. It is more costly than fossil fuel and gains us nothing but a good feeling.

Being in corn country, I agree...

As soon as city govts here in Iowa began to "invest" their peoples' money into these processing plants, I knew for sure they were not efficient and would eventually fail.

Iowa gets the dough first, though, so nyah nyah nyah....SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your $10 a gal milk and $30 steaks.

AND COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD:

Gas prices haven't gone up in 40 years, in real terms.

In 1964 a guy could get a gallon of gas for a quarter. Today, that same quarter buys a gallon of gas.

A country outta look into that.​

The problem is the intentional destruction of the dollar. 44 second YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlACZtfnb8&eurl=http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates

Jeff Livingston

 

[Purdman]

Being in corn country, I agree...

As soon as city govts here in Iowa began to "invest" their peoples' money into these processing plants, I knew for sure they were not efficient and would eventually fail.

Iowa gets the dough first, though, so nyah nyah nyah....SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your $10 a gal milk and $30 steaks.

AND COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD:

Gas prices haven't gone up in 40 years, in real terms.

In 1964 a guy could get a gallon of gas for a quarter. Today, that same quarter buys a gallon of gas.

A country outta look into that.​

The problem is the intentional destruction of the dollar. 44 second YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlACZtfnb8&eurl=http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates

Jeff Livingston

We will all be standing in line behind Buce at the local Taco Bell if we can find a place to park our bicycles.
You have to give the guy a little credit. This time he didn't blame it on illegal's, YET!
Purdman
Me and my baby!!! Can I get a little crunch with that munch!!!
Get em off, Right now!!!!

 

[misterpoole]

I am all for developing alternative fuels and more efficient engines, but short term (while we perfect these technologies) we should expand and tap into our own resources.
Banger

The technologies have been available for many years. It just needs some leadership to get it done and Bush et al have not only provided no leadership, they have thwarted attempts to make it happen.
The future is not lots of new refineries and the continued infatuation with gas guzzlers, so lets start moving forward.

Pool rooms rely heavily on discretionary spending and that is affected first in a down economy. Pool rooms will hurt. Pool rooms dont make enough to survive on their customers that will play whatever the situation.

 

[ShootingArts]

let's look at something

AND COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD:

Gas prices haven't gone up in 40 years, in real terms.

In 1964 a guy could get a gallon of gas for a quarter. Today, that same quarter buys a gallon of gas.

A country outta look into that.​

Jeff Livingston

Here is something I look at. Tires are made out of oil too. The price of a tire has risen four or five times in the same span that the price of gasoline has risen ten times or more. Both are more expensive to make, both have a great deal of R&D involved, but the increase in the price of gasoline far outstrips the price of a tire.

The reason is simple. There are only a handful of major gasoline suppliers in the US and getting fewer all the time as they are allowed to swallow up smaller competition and merge with each other into mega-corporations. Meanwhile it is very possible to make tires with a far smaller investment and distribute them anywhere in the world. The lack of competition let's gasoline prices run wild, competition keeps the price of tires down. Letting a few huge entities control the market has never been a good thing. We see new record profits being announced every quarter above and beyond the windfall profits of yesteryear or last year. Record prices and record profits aren't caused by trouble in the mideast or lack of refinery capacity here in the US, they are caused by gouging on a national scale.

Note that at the same time as the latest price increases, the US had a glut of refined gasoline on hand. Why did the prices jump when the gasoline was already sitting there ready to market?

Hu

 

[Patrick53212]

Really?

8 years of Bush turned this country upside down. I can't think of one area that he excelled in.

I can think of at least one area in which he super-excelled.... LYING!

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Get a grip, try blaming your trigger happy president, the fact that the US is dependent on imported conventional oil supplies which are getting harder and harder to find, the US obsession with big SUVs with low fuel efficiency, colussion between the oil companies to soak the consumer and a middle east Oil cartel that sets quotas on the amount of oil that is pumped from out of the sand in order to maximize thier profits from the west.

I'm sure I forgot a few factors, but saying environmentalists have an influence over the price of oil is like saying a magic 8 ball (to keep it pool related) effects the decisions that come out of the whitehouse.

Point your finger at yourself before you start blaming people who give a shi1t about the shape the planet will be in for our grandchildren.

I will still blame the environmentalist for stopping drilling for oil in the U.S., and also not allow the building New refineries in the U.S. The Santa Barbara Channel is rich with Oil, and so is the Gulf off the Coast of Florida. But they can not be tapped to their full potential.

I do not drive a gas guzzler but am dependent on providing my own transportation as where have no public transportation with in 10 miles of me. That public transpiration does not run on the weekends.

Sadly most U.S. Cities are not like NYC, and San Francisco where a personal vehicles is not necessary to get around because of wonderful public transportation.

Also the environmentalists have done a number on the Logging Industry with Causes like the Spotted Owl, and other nonsense. They have pretty much shout down the logging Industry in California. Also when Law Suit do not work the environmentalist have been know to VANDALIZE Property, and Machinery to make their points, and stop logging.

Sadly also the U.S., Auto Industry in the 50?s convinced many metropolitan cities to shut down great public transportation systems like the RED CARS in Los Angeles because the auto industry wanted every in their own personal vehicles.

I don?t see where President Bush, Clinton, or Bush Sr. are responsible for much of anything to do with the price, and supply of Crude Oil. All had Hot Trigger Fingers as you say, and the trigger was pulled for cause.

 

[Drew]

Try owning a boat that gets a mile to the gallon, and gas on the water is over four bucks, but what are you gonna do?

Easy answer...Sail!!