I need to unload

APA9 said:
You can't stand by your comments anonymously. By definition, it's impossible. In order to stand by your comments, something has to be at stake -- such as your reputation. Nothing is at stake if you are anonymous. Your reputation isn't on the line. You've stood by nothing. Just pointing out "the truth" since you seem very fond of that.
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Disgree apa. My reputation and crediblity on this board are at stake.

You're just disgusted that you don't know who that person is.

Having to know who the messenger is in order to analyze his comments shows your shortcomings as an independent thinker. You need the full weight and credit of the messenger before you can decide what your opinion of the message is. Jim Jones followers relied on him. Paid little attention to the message.

Until you can analyze on your own you're not free. Not independent. You're dependent on others.

The message is the message no matter who delivers it.
 
Keith Rudman said:
You choose to remain anonymous because you are a full of sh$t blow hard. You are a compulsive liar, you think you know it all and apparently have sociopath tendencies. You are on this forum way too much to be holding any type of job. If you had these so called pool rooms, they would take up your all of time where you would not be on this forum arguing your insane theories with the people on this site.
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Whether you like it or not Rudman here is the score.

Teacherman 2 pool rooms
Rudman 0 pool rooms

Teacherman a lot of free time
Rudman not much free time

Teacherman knows what he's talking about
Rudman wishes he knew something
 
1pRoscoe said:
The only valid point you have made is regarding the fines/citations. That's it. To think that gambling will stop in your pool hall or anywhere else is foolish.
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And which point is more important than the fines/citations?

I have no problem with gambling. If it's done it'll be done when we are open.
 
Hey westjer.

I just heard from the manager. She was in with your opponent.

You had the move put on you. :D
 
You live in the past

Teacherman said:
I'm not sure how your police and firefighting experience trumps my pool room experience in this discussion, but you should be the first to acknowledge that the police don't care if it's 1 second after closing time. If they want to give you a citation they will.

You should recall that I said I would've let him shoot the ball, but there are examples when I wouldn't have.

With much at stake, I have to protect myself. A previous poster mentioned the police at his door 2-3 nights per week. The police are in my parking lot almost daily. And I'm glad they are there. I do not give my employees any liberty on closing time. If I'm there, I can read the situation and maybe make an exception. They can not. Experience tells me there is no way to clear a pool room in 10 minutes.

One of my pool rooms is in this position every night. The people must leave by 2:00a. Getting them out on time is a challenge that sometimes takes attitude. The other pool room, just the alcohol has to be picked up. People can continue to play. Either way. The deadline is the deadline. It takes a few minutes to clear the room or pick up the alcohol. We are not going to ask a policeman for a favor. Or a mulligan. We are going to abide by the law.

If last call was missed that's is our fault. But, missed or not, everyone has to leave. NOW.

And if you think joe's $400 opportunity is more important to me than my business license you are misinformed.

BTW, you know what happens if the gambling is discovered? Who gets in trouble? How does the room owner feel if the next morning he's greeted by a policeman with a citation all because his manager didn't get the room closed on time? Who walks away scot free? Who gets to pay the piper?
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First of all my police and fire experience gives me people skills plus you didn't acknowledge my 30 years in the pool business.
Your living in the past because there are very few "hustlers" compared to serious players B or A. Most people in my area match up fairly. The days of the stealing is gone. Yes no one wants to lose but your attitude toward the players is from the 50's.
The police could give a shit less whether you are gambling in your room or not. It is an unenforceable statue and would be almost impossible to prove in court. There only concern may be to get the booze picked up or drunk drivers leaving but they also have an unwritten rule to not sandbag businesses for drunk drivers. Now if your running slot machines thats a different story. Cops on the beat have no idea what time you are suppose to be closed. My permit is 30 years old. It is not something that is public knowledge. A policeman would had to research your closing time. Then he would warn you if you are consistenly breaking the law. But it would just be an infraction and a civil infraction. Probably a hand slap so don't ask me what would happen? The police have better fish to fry than worry about what time you lock your door.
Speaking of mulligans, when was the last time you saw cops patrolling the golf links looking for gamblers? You have no concept of life and whats important.
You do not lose your license over staying open or locking your door to let someone finish a game. You don't even lost your liquor license for a first infraction if you break a liquor law. So your point is out of line.
 
nfty9er said:
First of all my police and fire experience gives me people skills plus you didn't acknowledge my 30 years in the pool business.
Your living in the past because there are very few "hustlers" compared to serious players B or A. Most people in my area match up fairly. The days of the stealing is gone. Yes no one wants to lose but your attitude toward the players is from the 50's.
The police could give a shit less whether you are gambling in your room or not. It is an unenforceable statue and would be almost impossible to prove in court. There only concern may be to get the booze picked up or drunk drivers leaving but they also have an unwritten rule to not sandbag businesses for drunk drivers. Now if your running slot machines thats a different story. Cops on the beat have no idea what time you are suppose to be closed. My permit is 30 years old. It is not something that is public knowledge. A policeman would had to research your closing time. Then he would warn you if you are consistenly breaking the law. But it would just be an infraction and a civil infraction. Probably a hand slap so don't ask me what would happen? The police have better fish to fry than worry about what time you lock your door.
Speaking of mulligans, when was the last time you saw cops patrolling the golf links looking for gamblers? You have no concept of life and whats important.
You do not lose your license over staying open or locking your door to let someone finish a game. You don't even lost your liquor license for a first infraction if you break a liquor law. So your point is out of line.
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You are a fricking genius. I've never met someone that knows as much as you. In fact, you don't know where I'm from but you know the laws of my state and municipality.

You're joking about the police not knowing when I have to close aren't you? And, I'm suppose to risk infractions on my liquor license for some minor gambling match?

I can see alzheimers sets in after 30 years in the pool business.

I better get out.

Anyone want to buy a couple of pool rooms?

Fair market value is all I ask.......plus free pool time and the right to make my last nineball no matter the time of day.
 
Teacherman said:
Disgree apa. My reputation and crediblity on this board are at stake.

You're just disgusted that you don't know who that person is.

Having to know who the messenger is in order to analyze his comments shows your shortcomings as an independent thinker. You need the full weight and credit of the messenger before you can decide what your opinion of the message is. Jim Jones followers relied on him. Paid little attention to the message.

Until you can analyze on your own you're not free. Not independent. You're dependent on others.

The message is the message no matter who delivers it.
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You're not baffling me with your brilliance here. You said a whole lot of nothing with this post. Come to think of it, you've said a whole lot of nothing this entire thread. I don't really care who you are. I was just pointing out the contradiction of your own words -- whether you want to admit there is one or not. I'm perfectly capable of analyzing on my own and, unfortunately, I have an analysis on you and your posts. I won't bother sharing because others have come to the same conclusion. It would be pointless. Then again, that doesn't stop you from posting, so maybe I should share! :rolleyes:
 
APA9 said:
You're not baffling me with your brilliance here. You said a whole lot of nothing with this post. Come to think of it, you've said a whole lot of nothing this entire thread. I don't really care who you are. I was just pointing out the contradiction of your own words -- whether you want to admit there is one or not. I'm perfectly capable of analyzing on my own and, unfortunately, I have an analysis on you and your posts. I won't bother sharing because others have come to the same conclusion. It would be pointless. Then again, that doesn't stop you from posting, so maybe I should share! :rolleyes:
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I took a deep breath, read this quote twice and am still left scratching my head. :confused: :confused: I don't have time to disect the whole quote but someone at least explain to me why "unfortunately, I have an analysis on you and your posts." What is so unfortunate about it?

And to the person that spoke of how players in their area gamble & match up a fair game with no hustling going on....it must be one of those rooms of players where they lose to each other & never pay off, just keeping track on the beads who owes who money. I would rather play bingo with my grandmother than be around an environment like that.

Oh, and to the guy who thinks that the police won't care if you stay open after hours even if you have a liquor license. That might be true in your town of Mayberry with Sheriff Andy & Deputity Barney, but in the big city with a police force of over 100 cops all looking to impress their boss, that doesn't work. Tell Aunt Bea she makes good pie.
 
nifty

You sound like the officer that showed up at my place after I kicked a customer out for disobeying our no cigar rule. Yeah that's right. The customer called the police on me because I wouldn't let him smoke a cigar in my place.

Worse yet, the police actually showed up.

I had to kick him out too.

Then, a few days later when I have a customer who refuses to pay his $10 pool time, the police don't offer me any assistance.

Was that you nifty? Could've been. You know my states' laws and everything
 
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watchez said:
I took a deep breath, read this quote twice and am still left scratching my head. :confused: :confused: I don't have time to disect the whole quote but someone at least explain to me why "unfortunately, I have an analysis on you and your posts." What is so unfortunate about it?
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Ask and you shall receive, so saideth me. Let me help you, my deep breathing, head scratching friend. I feel #unfortunate# to have put enough time into reading that guy's posts to actually have come up with an analysis. :cool:
 
what kind of pie ?...prefer cake myself,,,rules/laws/ordinances are different everywhere,,,if I stay open after local ordinances say I can,,,$250 fine,,,2nd offense : $400 fine/30 days suspension of business,,,3rd offense : outta business permanently,,,
don't think the guy who 'maybe' lost $400 would pay my fine,,,,,H--L NO!,,,most of the posts are way off the subject and trying to compare apples to oranges.....getting close to opening time,,,gotta go; make some dough; tell the whiners where to go; mop the spilled beverages off th' flo',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Having spent a good deal of my young life gambling in poolrooms, I can sympathize with your situation. I've been in rooms that didn't post their closing time, closed at different hours and called last-rack spontaneously and always while I was in mid-set.

I brought this information with me when I was managing Amsterdam Billiards in New York City only to find out that there are plenty of regulars who are ready to take advantage of you at every turn. Even though I did receive gappers from the occasional old-school regular, I'd still have to endure a lot of bs in between. Check these out for size:


Scenario #1
"We're almost done"
"What's the score?"
"5-3"
"What are you racing to?"
"9"

Scenario #2
"We're playing our last game"
"Are you playing 9-ball?"
"No, straight pool"

Scenario #3
"We're playing our last rack"
"Are you playing 9-ball?"
"No, one-pocket"

Scenario #4
"I just want to get even?"
"Will this set get you even?"
"No but the next one will."

All the while, I'm marching out all the other patrons who would rather play to the wee hours of the morning. You put a room in a difficult situation, oftentimes having to keep added employees in the room for extended hours. Five minutes may not seem like much but you never truly know. The fact is, you're putting your situation infront of another's and saying, 'it's your job to do so.' It really isn't their job and the gambling aspect is really your business and your business alone. Respectfully, a good manager will try and accommodate you as much as possible but if this has been taken advantage of in the past, you cannot expect more than the way you were treated.

As a rule, you should always avoid gambling near closing. You're asking for trouble but if you are going to do so, keep tabs on the manager and let them know what's involved long before you get to this point. For all you know, they could have a ride waiting for them outside or have something to do early the next day. Keep them aware of the progress of the set, the money involved and possibly offering a little something if things turn out well will only be positive in the long-run.


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
I am that guy

watchez said:
I took a deep breath, read this quote twice and am still left scratching my head. :confused: :confused: I don't have time to disect the whole quote but someone at least explain to me why "unfortunately, I have an analysis on you and your posts." What is so unfortunate about it?

And to the person that spoke of how players in their area gamble & match up a fair game with no hustling going on....it must be one of those rooms of players where they lose to each other & never pay off, just keeping track on the beads who owes who money. I would rather play bingo with my grandmother than be around an environment like that.

Oh, and to the guy who thinks that the police won't care if you stay open after hours even if you have a liquor license. That might be true in your town of Mayberry with Sheriff Andy & Deputity Barney, but in the big city with a police force of over 100 cops all looking to impress their boss, that doesn't work. Tell Aunt Bea she makes good pie.
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Please read the post again then you can fairly respond. I said there is very little hustling going on. Think about it. Everybody knows everybody. The days of anonymity are over. Handicap systems, computers, forums, pictures on the internet. Hustling is practically gone. People match up. Simple. The only hustling comes from a road player and that doesn't last long when he is found out about. What kind of enviornment are you talking about? If games are going on from 50 to 1000, what is it you want? Who else is going to play but your customers. Do you think there are hundreds of road players showing up weekly?

I don't think the police don't care, I know. If you read the previous posts you will see we are talking about a few minutes and if more you lock the doors. Did you read where that same poster was also an ex policeman. In my 10 years I never once worried about the local pool room, and I worked in a big city. I was more interested in catching burglars, robbers, drug dealers or whatever other felony that was a detriment to the health, welfare and safety of the citizens. Thats what impresses the boss. Pool room gambling and closing times was not one of my priorities.
Now come by my pool room and I will play you for a few beads or a few thousand.
Dick Cady
Fast Eddy's Billiards www.fasteddysbilliards.com
 
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