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poolmaster

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What do you do when you find out that one of the tour directors is
cheating. I mean stealing money and more. I don't want to mention
the name name of the tour , at least not yet, but I want to know what
to do. Do I boycot the tour, do I spread the news, I don't know,
I know that the economy is bad but there is no reason to cheat like that.
Should I let it go or expose this s$it.?
 
The big question is who is he stealing from? Sponsors? Players? Room owners? Who he is doing the stealing from plays a big part in what you should do.

Note: This does not mean I think he should do nothing depending on which person is being wronged...

Brian
 
Without exposing the tour or person, why not elaborate on what you mean by cheating and on how you know.
 
cigardave's Daily Advice Tip... the truth will set you free. Why live in bondage when you hold the key.
 
more details would help answer your question. this can really be affecting alot of people (i.e. players, poolromm owners, sponsors, etc).
 
I agree with Randy, make sure you are 100% that they are indeed cheating someone.

There are ways to get the info straight from the 'cheater(s)' mouth before ratting them out.
 
It's a pool director cheating players and the tour out of the money.
The problem is , I don't know exactly how many people is involved
and I don't want to hurt the tour. Pool is bad as it is.
 
First I would make sure you're 100% sure you're correct. Then I'd post the details on this website. I used to check up on tournament directors to make sure the prize fund was accurate - it's easy to do.

Ex: If 40 players enter a tournament and pay s $50 entry fee, then you have a $2000 fund. If there's $1000 added you have $3000. Then just add up all the payouts - if they don't total $3000 then there's a problem. Post the discrepancy on here and ask the TD to explain. If he doesn't or doesn't to everyone's satisfaction then email a link to the forum post to the tours sponsors.

Problem solved.
 
gromulan said:
First I would make sure you're 100% sure you're correct. Then I'd post the details on this website. I used to check up on tournament directors to make sure the prize fund was accurate - it's easy to do.

Ex: If 40 players enter a tournament and pay s $50 entry fee, then you have a $2000 fund. If there's $1000 added you have $3000. Then just add up all the payouts - if they don't total $3000 then there's a problem. Post the discrepancy on here and ask the TD to explain. If he doesn't or doesn't to everyone's satisfaction then email a link to the forum post to the tours sponsors.

Problem solved.
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If there is a "green fee" don't forget to deduct it from entry fees....randyg
 
Also if they list it as having been $1,000 added make sure that it wasn't contingent on the number of entries and to see if the room actually paid the full amount they promised. Not that uncommon for a room to not come up with everything they said they would...

Brian
 
opininion? I say... perrifial.

Be 110% positive that you are correct. Start asking questions about the math- maybe you're just confused or wrong. Maybe your confusion and questions will actually make it stop.

Couple of quick things- first, stealing is stealing. It does not matter who it's stealing FROM.

Second, I agree that there's some responsibility on you just in knowing it's going on.

And again, sometimes just the bright light of sunshiney accounting questions will make it stop. Asking for the math doesn't hurt, and it doesn't accuse anyone of anything.
 
Poolmaster

You know me and how honest a man I am as well as my dedication to doing what's right for pool on a whole. I have been gathering the facts about the situation and will be posting something in the near future to clarify what had actually tranpired. Hopefully that can ease your troubled mind. I know you are not the type of person to jump to any conclusions without having all the facts first. I also know at the least, you will get some closure from getting some answers to the questions. I even spoke to the TD of the tour and will be posting their explanation of the incident in question along with a basic breakdown of how things are run as well. I don't know why but once again in my life, I will act as mediator in hopes to shed light upon the truth and bring peace to your soul and a piece of mind to ease your internal moral conflict.

Stay tuned!!!!..................

Sandman
 
gromulan said:
First I would make sure you're 100% sure you're correct. Then I'd post the details on this website. I used to check up on tournament directors to make sure the prize fund was accurate - it's easy to do.

Ex: If 40 players enter a tournament and pay s $50 entry fee, then you have a $2000 fund. If there's $1000 added you have $3000. Then just add up all the payouts - if they don't total $3000 then there's a problem. Post the discrepancy on here and ask the TD to explain. If he doesn't or doesn't to everyone's satisfaction then email a link to the forum post to the tours sponsors.

Problem solved.
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I believe different tours use different formulas but every regional tour has to "pocket" some money in order to cover their expenses. Too many times have players added things this way and run off screaming how they're being cheated and taken advantage of. Some players expect a 100% payback on all entry fees and that isn't always feasible. It cost money to put on a tour and when you're talking about a regional event that doesn't charge admission, the room owner and tour itself need to be able to cover some basic costs. Green fee's are one way that this happens.
 
Be sure to consider all the pieces:

Entry Fees + Money Added = Prize Money (to the players) + Greens' Fees (to the room owner) + Administrative Fees (to the Director)

The Administrative Fees may include an amount for the Director's out-of-pocket expenses in running the tour plus an amount to pay him for his work.
 
I have played on many regional tours and the magic formula regarding payouts is almost never posted. It is a kind of magic that formulas do not govern. Payouts vary from event to event. Number of players paid varies from event to event. Nobody knows how much the director makes. It is also unfair to call it stealing if you do not state where entries, league fess, sponsors $, and pool room added monies go. A tour I play on keeps 10% of the calcultta for the tournament director, they never stated this at a single event. I know becasue I did the math.

The problem is most of the players are in groups that don't care or don't know.

1) Apathetic
2) Making money so who cares
3) Too dumb to figure it out
 
poolmaster said:
What do you do when you find out that one of the tour directors is
cheating. I mean stealing money and more. I don't want to mention
the name name of the tour , at least not yet, but I want to know what
to do. Do I boycot the tour, do I spread the news, I don't know,
I know that the economy is bad but there is no reason to cheat like that.
Should I let it go or expose this s$it.?
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You post the individuals name, their phone number, and the name of the tour in this thread....

We are waiting :grin:
 
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