I wonder why all cue makers cues have a certain unique hit to them?

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justinb386

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This may sound like a really silly/stupid post, but I am just curious why certain cue makers have such a unique hit to their cues.

Like Diveney cues (for example) have a unique hit to them (that you will probably not find from any other cue makers cues).

I think it must be the way a cue maker tapers their shafts, and the way that they weight their cues, and maybe many other aspects of the way they build their cues, to give their cues a certain type of unique hit.

Another example is Lambros. I imagine his cues have a very unique hit to them.

I have found that ordering a shaft from a certain cue maker (or buying a used shaft that a certain cue maker made) will not make your cue hit the same as if you ordered an entire cue from that cue maker (or purchased a cue that was entirely made by that certain cue maker).

Like if I ordered a shaft from Diveney, and attached it to my Jacoby, I do not think that my Jacoby/Diveney combo would hit as sweet as the hit that I know would come from a cue that was entirely made by Diveney.

That can be said about ordering a shaft from any cue maker (excluding the production cue makers that make LD shafts), right?

I also understand that all cues hit different (unless it is a Southwest, or a cue from one of the many other very high end cue makers who's cues all hit just about the same), and if you ever find that perfect cue that has that perfect feel, balance, hit, and everything else (a cue that you feel was made for you, and nobody else), then you had better hold on to it forever,or you may never be able to find another cue like it again.

Many of you may laugh, but for me, that cue was a high end South East cue that I very regretfully sold a few years ago, and I am certain that I will never find a cue that just felt so perfect for me again.

Sorry, just some different thoughts that went through my mind this morning.
 
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This has been discussed quite a bit. The obvious answers are shaft taper and ferrule and that quality cuemakers hand selects shafts that are very simillar in weight and rings per inch count.
The way the butt is constructed, the taper, pin etc. also comes in to play.
 
I haven't experienced a wide range of cues. However, after buying my Josey, I briefly traded cues with the other guy in the hall I go to who also has a Josey. His made a few years earlier than mine. After an hour or so, we traded back. We both agreed there was no difference in play between the two that we could feel.
 
Minute differences in the way a cue is constructed can make a fair size difference in how they play. The selection of woods and ring materials make a difference. Even the glues used make a difference. The tip, ferrule and shaft make the most difference, but the butt construction also plays a major role in how the cue plays.
 
cueman said:
The selection of woods and ring materials make a difference. Even the glues used make a difference.
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Ring materials and glue make a difference?

When most people can't even feel the difference between a steel joint, phenolic or
plastic I find it hard to believe the ring materials and glue make a difference.

I've had cues with all sorts of joints and rings (and no rings) and I can never tell the difference.
Let alone ring material.
But then again, you are the expert, and I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic.
It's just a fact. This is indeed your field, not mine.
 
I have hit with cues that feel like a big pillow and I have hit with cues that hit like an iron rod................... I like a crisp hit some where in between....

It seems to me that a nice maple shaft, a firm ferrule material and a med tip all come together to give the hit. Butt construction comes in to play also. I believe solid wood cues can vary with the wood used where fully cored cues have a consistent feel. Metal joints seem to deaden the hit .......... just the opposite of what you would think...........

So you have to decide which cue builder to go to by the construction methods used.



Kim..
 
cueman said:
Minute differences in the way a cue is constructed can make a fair size difference in how they play. The selection of woods and ring materials make a difference. Even the glues used make a difference. The tip, ferrule and shaft make the most difference, but the butt construction also plays a major role in how the cue plays.
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I agree with everything in this comment.

The glue used to put a tip on will make a huge difference alone.

Just little things will make a difference.


And I believe----no two cues hit exactly alike.


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poolguy4u said:
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I agree with everything in this comment.

The glue used to put a tip on will make a huge difference alone.

Just little things will make a difference.


And I believe----no two cues hit exactly alike.


:winknudge:





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So you're saying I could use the same tip, but use two different glues, and you could tell the difference in hit. Sure.....
 
For me it is shaft taper.

I have had cues that I didnt like how they played and sent shafts to be retapered to my favorite taper and they played much better.


Ken
 
9Ballr said:
Ring materials and glue make a difference?

When most people can't even feel the difference between a steel joint, phenolic or
plastic I find it hard to believe the ring materials and glue make a difference.

I've had cues with all sorts of joints and rings (and no rings) and I can never tell the difference.
Let alone ring material.
But then again, you are the expert, and I'm NOT trying to be sarcastic.
It's just a fact. This is indeed your field, not mine.
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I can tell the difference in steel joints and phenolic joints on my cues. I can also tell the difference between phenolic and ABS joint rings. And yes when installing the A-joint or coring a forearm the type of glue used makes a very noticeable difference.
 
Now I understand why SVB is so freakin' good. His tips are glued on using a magic glue, mixed and stirred, by the elves of the Black Forest.

Who 'da thunk it? That is an unfair advantage.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
So you're saying I could use the same tip, but use two different glues, and you could tell the difference in hit. Sure.....
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Being a long time believer in the glue theory myself, I definitely think the choice of wrap color is also a major factor when considering a cue's hit. (It's a joke; it's a joke.) :wink:

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