icebreaker tips

CrownCityCorey said:
I guess I may have something if I can get it on tape. The high-speed camera necessary for it is $$$ though.

I'll see what I can do. No promises ;)
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I am sorry but the cueball can't get from point A to point B with the object ball in the way. It just can't happen. It is a double hit no matter how you want to look at it.

That Dr. guy who posts on here has one. He may already have done the test of the close jump and the double hit. The one I did I did from 1/2 inch away and you could actually see the cueball ride the tip upwards as the cue bounced away and go forward over the ball.
 
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CrownCityCorey said:
Jumping the cueball over the object ball only the thickness of a CC apart. :wink:
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Thanks for the reply.
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BENFICA said:
On this one I will give you a suggestion. Have your professional installer clean the top of the ferrule before applying the glue with acetone to dry a bit your ferrule. Some ferrules release a bit of a oil/grease... Is he using like the Tiger glue or cement glue?
I had this issue happened when I installed kamui black tips and the issue went away.
Icebreakers tips are awesome... Not because I sell them, but because I play and jump with them. Even yesterday I had a jump like with the block ball 2 to 3" away and I jumped with no effort.
I played all afternoon with our own AZ Cyrex if you don't believe me, he saw the jump shot.
Make sure your wrist is loose and you have the jump cue elevated correctly.
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Now that is Professional Installation.
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CrownCityCorey said:
I guess you are calling me a liar LOL!; however there were many witnesses (including Ralf Souquet):p and I assure you, it is quite possible.

I learned from WPBA Star Melissa Morris!

Maybe she has it on video...check her sub-forum.
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O.K I started this by saying I was taking my new icebreaker tip off, but after breaking with it I'm not sure I will. I got much more power out of my break with it. Not quite as much jump, but it did jump better on the 860 cloth than on my 8 ft table. I think I will give it another chance and see.
 
Aball and cowboy,

I know that looks good, but it is physically impossible.

Consider this. The angle at which a cue ball can come up and not hit the object ball it is going over is a very small one. Remember that the cue ball would come up at the same angle that it went up, just in the opposite direction. Therefore, the cue ball must achieve a certain height above the object ball to get to the half way point. If you graph this out in AutoCad, it would have to go several feet above the table to get high enough just to clear the object ball, much less go as far as the cue ball goes in those videos.

The only way this happens is that the shaft rebounds back into the ball once it is off the table a little bit propelling it forward. It is the side of the shaft or ferrule that contacts the ball,so you don't feel it, and you would not be able to hear it either. This has been proven in slow motion video, but I don't remember who shot it. It might have been Dr Dave Alciatore.

I am not knocking Larry or Corey as it still takes allot of skill to pull that shot off, but it is a double hit.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
I used the Tiger tip glue to put mine on with and I love the glue .. Have not had any tips pop off when I use it ... The Ice breaker tip though is cracking down the sides as has been said by others in this post ... No trouble with the leather center yet....
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Jumping the cueball over the object ball only the thickness of a CC apart. :wink:
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Credit cards are 30 mills thick, I know a bit about them ;)


I cant get that close and go over a full ball, I can do it at about 2" (less than a ball apart).


Its no hanger but I know for a fact that Corey is telling the truth, he is more than capable of that shot, it aint the cue, its him.
 
Fatboy said:
Credit cards are 30 mills thick, I know a bit about them ;)


I cant get that close and go over a full ball, I can do it at about 2" (less than a ball apart).


Its no hanger but I know for a fact that Corey is telling the truth, he is more than capable of that shot, it aint the cue, its him.
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I can do the shot as well but I know why the cueball gets over the object ball. It is an unintentional trick and a double hit. I also know the magician doesn't really saw the girl in half.
 
I can do the CC jump as well but yeah , it's a foul. If you dust the shaft with some powder you can see where it bumps the CB over on the way up.
 
Ralf Souquet called it a good hit. Good enough for me until some slo-mo video calls it foul.

I'd never play the shot in a match, as the percentage is way too low, but it would make for a hell of an argument. Let the ref call it!

My ref Ralf, said "good hit." :thumbup:
 
NINEBALLART said:
I'm not being critical of you or your tips but I think that shot is impossible....How can a cueball go straight up ( which it has to do to clear the ball in front of it ) and then go forward 3 or 4 inches ?? Doesn't seem logical to me.... I think the cueball hits your shaft on the way up and then goes forward.....
Ever tape this shot and play it back it slow motion ???? Just curious.....
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Hello,

I believe it was Larry Nevel who jumped a ball with the width of a toothpick. The video is on youtube.
 
My best is a chalk width. Accuracy suffered, but I was able to get it over. I'm probably about 50/50 on it, but I am using the Predator Air, with the stock phenolic tip.
 
NINEBALLART said:
I'm not being critical of you or your tips but I think that shot is impossible....How can a cueball go straight up ( which it has to do to clear the ball in front of it ) and then go forward 3 or 4 inches ?? Doesn't seem logical to me.... I think the cueball hits your shaft on the way up and then goes forward.....
Ever tape this shot and play it back it slow motion ???? Just curious.....
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I have to agree with CrownCity on this. It is absolutely possible I cannot jump closer than 3in but I have seen a CC jump in person and all over the net. Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-bGtpLakM&feature=related :thumbup:
 
I love my icebreaker tips no problems with them at all yet... To those who said they cracked down the side what mm shaft is it on? What did tiger say about the problem just curious I dont want it to happen to me or my customers.
 
If you graph this out in AutoCad, it would have to go several feet above the table to get high enough just to clear the object ball
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This isn't true.

Here's a drawing showing the CB and OB 1/32" apart (about the thickness of a credit card) - the CB only has to go about 13 inches high to clear the OB when it comes down.

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With all these experts around it's a wonder we know anything.

pj
chgo
 
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