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Ideas on this shot
- Thread starter Tiger5150
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Looks a litte tricky to me. With that much bottom left on the cue ball, it could shorten up and scratch in the lower left hand corner. I would cut the 4 in the a firm stroke with inside english. Looks like you could go back and forth 2 or 3 rails and get between the second diamond and the 6 ball for ideal shape on the 5. JMO.
Southpaw
Southpaw
Soft low (draw-drag), extreme right english is what I'd do. I'd be hoping for what I diagrammed, but as long as I make the 4-ball I should have at least a good safety opportunity on the 5, with the 7 and 8 positioned nicely as blockers.
I don't think there's any way with the angle you diagrammed to get back up to the top rail like you diagrammed. If you were straighter, you could draw it up there, but if you were straighter, you could use soft top right to follow just below the 6.
-Andrew
Tiger5150 said:
My drawing could be off but the best I could hope for with any right was to hit the 6 on the first half moving it towards the 5. I wish I didnt have to leave after my match because I really wanted to set it up and see if I could have pulled off that draw shot.
looks like a pretty easy bank on the 4, with easy shape. a little inside should hold it up and make shape.
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I think my drawing is off, in the match the 6 was blocking the bank.
Thinking back on the shot I dont know why I didnt even think of the back and forth shot. I have this amazing stroke and it sometimes gets in the way of playing a much easier shot. This is something that I am going to have to work really hard on.
Thinking back on the shot I dont know why I didnt even think of the back and forth shot. I have this amazing stroke and it sometimes gets in the way of playing a much easier shot. This is something that I am going to have to work really hard on.
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I like Rod's shot. Twice across, back to approximately where the 4-ball is. The speed control is a little easier (more margin of error) when you have to hit the cushion.
Try this shot a few times to see if you even need any english. My gut feeling is that straight follow gets you twice across, so speed control is the main focus (other than aiming correctly).
Fred
I think you are playing 9b, yes? If so,
What Manning said...I would emphasize that the slower you hit the ball, the more the sidespin takes after hitting the OB.
I wouldn't be a bad shot on the 5 to have the CB where to 6 is...or you could try to nudge the 5 w/ the CB, but you takes your chances there.
What Manning said...I would emphasize that the slower you hit the ball, the more the sidespin takes after hitting the OB.
I wouldn't be a bad shot on the 5 to have the CB where to 6 is...or you could try to nudge the 5 w/ the CB, but you takes your chances there.
Regarding your proposed route:
Although you MIGHT be able to get the necessary angle off the first rail by using draw & left, you cannot attain that angle with the speed necessary to go around the table. You're simply going to stun into that rail so anything that cueball does is going to be related to the english used and nothing more. The shot you propose is simply not possible.
With that said, you really have to go forward and use right english. There are just so many good reasons for doing so, as well. Running into a ball here is simply not a horrible thing since you're likely going to have a shot afterward anyway. What's more, you have a great chance at attaining position which means you have a chance to get out without having any real risk of scratching. Also, by going forward, it's a softer shot which means there's a greater chance of making the ball. Yes, you could miss but since you're sending the cueball into a bit of traffic, there's a reasonable expectation that you could end up hooking your opponent.
Although you MIGHT be able to get the necessary angle off the first rail by using draw & left, you cannot attain that angle with the speed necessary to go around the table. You're simply going to stun into that rail so anything that cueball does is going to be related to the english used and nothing more. The shot you propose is simply not possible.
With that said, you really have to go forward and use right english. There are just so many good reasons for doing so, as well. Running into a ball here is simply not a horrible thing since you're likely going to have a shot afterward anyway. What's more, you have a great chance at attaining position which means you have a chance to get out without having any real risk of scratching. Also, by going forward, it's a softer shot which means there's a greater chance of making the ball. Yes, you could miss but since you're sending the cueball into a bit of traffic, there's a reasonable expectation that you could end up hooking your opponent.
hemicudas said:
Rod's (and Cornerman's) diamgrammed shot is for sure the shot to take in this one situation.
Concerning going around the table, I haven't actually tried your shot from this exact position to make sure it's possible, however, if you decide to go around the table again in similar situations, maybe in slightly different positions, I don't think the draw helps at all. Just use a lot of left, center or a half tip low, and put a good, smooth stroke on it. The left takes a lot better better and gives you both angle and speed if you stroke it smoothly. A draw stroke, in my opinion, takes off the critical left spin you need to get around the table unless you hit it perfectly. There are a lot of situations where you have to go around the table like you diagrammed. It's usually when you've overshot an angle and have to get back to the other side of the table.
There is no way the draw is going to take enough to change the angle before the cueball hits the first rail anyway on this shot, and as you found out, is much less manageable than just left spin.
Chris
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I'd go for the bank if I feel offensive. It's better to miss an attempt rather than going thru rails back and forth only to be hooked and a possibility of fouling or giving a BIH to your opponent. otherwise, play safe with the 4.
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@Jude Rosenstock said:
I had a tape with Mike Massey pulling this shot off with low left(running english) I can go the 3 rails and sometimes hit the 4th on a 9ft table. This is pretty much the same stroke that I was trying here. I think it is possible but the back and forth is more practicle
Tiger5150 said:
Your illustration is not entirely accurate. Although the shot you show here is definitely possible and the result is as you show, the path the cue-ball takes off the 8-ball is NOT immediate. It runs along a perpendicular line for a few inches and then draws back.
In your initial shot, you have the object ball right by the rail. You need a little bit of room to allow for the drawspin to take effect, to change that angle of approach on the rail. Otherwise, the rebound angle is not going to get you to the end-rail.