Identify This "Palmer"

Palmer

You might want to PM Chris Tate to get his input. I have a very similar cue that I bought in the early 60's. I sent pics to Chris a few years ago. To make a long story short, he contacted Peter Balner, who confirmed it was a pre-catalog Palmer.

I'll be very pleasantly surprised if that one sells anywhere near his asking price.

If you want to see pics of mine, please PM me your email address and I'll send some to you.

Harry
 
It has been listed and re-listed several times I think.

I think at first he was saying it is a Rambow.

It is a very interesting cue, bit I am not sure about who made it.

The usual suspects come to mind, but I couldn't say beyond some general thoughts.

I am guessing somebody here will have specifics points to discuss that may point to a specific maker.



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Wrong joint for Palmer. Possible Rambow that was modified later/reworked (cant see enough to tell really) or possible conversion made by any number of other makers from that era.
 
cueaddicts said:
Wrong joint for Palmer. Possible Rambow that was modified later/reworked (cant see enough to tell really) or possible conversion made by any number of other makers from that era.
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I am curious as to why you think the joint is wrong?

Can't see enough to tell if it is a 14 instead of an 18 thread.

Dale
 
Type79 said:
Without just trying to guess, can anyone give some insight into who made this cue? It's listed as a Palmer but clearly is not anything that was made in their shop.
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If I read the listing correctly, the listing doesn't say it's a Palmer, but says it a Palmer tribute, most specifically, to the Model C. If I were going to speak about a resemblance to Palmer, it would be more to the Model 4 in the first catalog, not the Model C, obviously in the second catalog. The more squared-off bluttplate more resembles the Model 4.

That being said, there are some other things. One, very nice looking cue. The listing seems to imply, but doesn't exactly state that it was made made by Herman Rambow. I don't think it was, but the joint and pin does look like the short 14 thread pin, inside a brass joint, used by Rambow, but hard to tell. However, the ferrule on this shaft, if original, looks a bit too long for a Rambow, and the length of the butt, 29 inches, is a bit long for that maker.

I think it's a nice looking tribute, but can't tell exactly. A good look at the buttplate with weight screw would help. Most Rambow cues with this style buttplate had a significant recess to the weight screw, which we can't see one way or another here. It also doesn't look like Cortland wrap, the dark strand is too dark, unless he used the black strand Cortland, which I doubt.

That's about what I have.

All the best,
WW
 
pdcue said:
Stop the presses!

Jay,

Could this be a 'rarer than hen's teeth' Model 4???

Dale
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In a word, no. This is not a Palmer. I've corresponded with the owner and despite how the listing may read, he is convinced it is a Palmer.

But back to my original point, there is nothing about this cue that provides any clue that it came out of the Palmer shop. My original question was: Who made the cue?
 
WildWing said:
If I read the listing correctly, the listing doesn't say it's a Palmer, but says it a Palmer tribute, most specifically, to the Model C. If I were going to speak about a resemblance to Palmer, it would be more to the Model 4 in the first catalog, not the Model C, obviously in the second catalog. The more squared-off bluttplate more resembles the Model 4.

That being said, there are some other things. One, very nice looking cue. The listing seems to imply, but doesn't exactly state that it was made made by Herman Rambow. I don't think it was, but the joint and pin does look like the short 14 thread pin, inside a brass joint, used by Rambow, but hard to tell. However, the ferrule on this shaft, if original, looks a bit too long for a Rambow, and the length of the butt, 29 inches, is a bit long for that maker.

I think it's a nice looking tribute, but can't tell exactly. A good look at the buttplate with weight screw would help. Most Rambow cues with this style buttplate had a significant recess to the weight screw, which we can't see one way or another here. It also doesn't look like Cortland wrap, the dark strand is too dark, unless he used the black strand Cortland, which I doubt.

That's about what I have.

All the best,
WW
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"WildWing;5930439]
If I read the listing correctly, the listing doesn't say it's a Palmer,
but says it a Palmer tribute, most specifically, Model C."
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From the listing:

"Up for sale is a Beautiful Palmer ( Rambow ) Tribute cue model C"
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Given that the language is awkward, He in fact does say it IS a Palmer, Model C,
which is a tribute to a Rambow.

I agree that he seems to be attempting to associate the cue with as many desirable
elements as possible. All the while being careful to not say anything he might later
have to live up to.

Most of all, IF everything he says were to be true and accurate, he still wants at least
double the reasonable MAX price.

Dale
 
palmer

SAW that EXACT CUE SOLD on the SHELF at TOWN and COUNTRY billiards in SAN MATEO CALIF, in 1970,sold as a PALMER,were i WORKED at THE TIME..SOLD for 70.00 at that time.A well known, BAY AREA PLAYER,at that TIME had 1 for YEARS...
 
rabbitt said:
SAW that EXACT CUE SOLD on the SHELF at TOWN and COUNTRY billiards in SAN MATEO CALIF, in 1970,sold as a PALMER,were i WORKED at THE TIME..SOLD for 70.00 at that time.A well known, BAY AREA PLAYER,at that TIME had 1 for YEARS...
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Which is about right for 1970 - the "real" Model C in the 2nd catalog lists for $52.50 (wholesale).

So do you have any idea who did make the cue?
Jay, who knows tons about Palmers says it is not a Palmer, hard to argue
with his level of expertise.

Dale
 
rabbitt said:
SAW that EXACT CUE SOLD on the SHELF at TOWN and COUNTRY billiards in SAN MATEO CALIF, in 1970,sold as a PALMER,were i WORKED at THE TIME..SOLD for 70.00 at that time.A well known, BAY AREA PLAYER,at that TIME had 1 for YEARS...
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Sorry, rabbitt, not a Palmer. Without giving away too terribly much, there are two main items. One, the Palmer Model 4, first catalog, had a dark ring next to the buttplate. Also, that buttplate was a different material than what is shown. Second, the joint pin is not Palmer of that era. The Palmer joint pin of that era was 18 thread, and nowhere near as short out of the joint as this pin is. Those who think this is a Palmer are kidding themselves.

All the best,
WW
 
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WildWing said:
Sorry, rabbitt, not a Palmer. Without giving away too terribly much, there are two main items. One, the Palmer Model 4, first catalog, had a dark ring next to the buttplate. Also, that buttplate was a different material than what is shown. Second, the joint pin is not Palmer of that era. The Palmer joint pin of that era was 18 thread, and nowhere near as short out of the joint as this pin is. Those who think this is a Palmer are kidding themselves.

All the best,
WW
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I withdraw my objection, your honor:)

When I asked before why you thought the joint was wrong, I had failed to notice
the last pic... of the joint - duh.

IMHO - if I had to guess - it is most likely just a Hoppe Pro that someone re-worked.

Dale
 
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