My original post had in mind to give the minimum as to the PUBLIC PROFILE in this section. I'm not asking that we give up address, telephone , work place or anything like that. Just NAME, OCCUPATION , AGE & STATE...JER
Identify Yourself
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BLACKHEARTCUES said:
With someone's name, occupation, age and state, a whole lot can be found out about them online, especially if someone is willing to pay for the information. Unlisted phone numbers can be obtained, their address, and a whole lot more is out there.
No thank you.
name, rank and serial number is all they'll get from me.....
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Jerry it is just not worth the effort. If common courtesy is not taught by the time they are two years old then it too late.
Tired of all the grief,
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Arnot Wadsworth said:
I believe in common courtesy, and good manners, and being respectful and respectable, too.
It seems to me that your idea of common courtesy goes far beyond what many would consider normal, especially for an online forum.
FWIW, some time ago, here on AZ, there were death threats made. I don't know if those posts were deleted by the moderators or not, or if the thread in which they were made was locked or deleted. In any case, there are some bad actors out there, and some of them will stoop to anything. For that reason, I choose to keep my personal information just that -- personal. I have no desire to be on the receiving end of that sort of treatment, nor would most people. Perhaps I've been through a few things in life that others haven't, and my perspective on these things has changed over time.
Being naive has never really helped anybody, at least in the long run.
Mr. Wadsworth, I like the idea of a closed forum for those who have a particular interest that they'd like to keep private, and I've read in this thread that such fora already exist.
At the same time, this public forum serves a need not only for cuemakers, but for those who might wish to have a custom cue made and want to find out more about it, as well as for those who wish to either do their own work or work for friends and acquaintainces, as the case may be.
AZ is a great place, and the "Ask the Cuemaker" section is one of the best subforums on here.
I've learned here, and really appreciate the help I've received, and who knows, also given to those for whom my knowledge of certain things related to cues has been beneficial.
I hope this section continues to grow and educate us all.
Flex
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I dont think it works that way.
Boycotting the forum would not work.
First off you wont get any cue makers to go along with you.
Second I dont really think the forum owners care if cue makers post here or not.
I havent posted here for a long time.
Did you or anyone else miss me? :grin:
I sure did not get any telephone calls from the forum owners asking me to post something.
I would be nice to have a requirement that all posts here must be identified, but I seriously doubt that will happen.
As usual, in here and elsewhere, there are as many opinions as there are posters and those that know they are right fail to see the reason of those that are wrong. When faced with several reasons why someone might not want to identify themselves those that are right piously insist their form of courtesy is the only way to do business or trade information.
How many posters in here have an Ebay account? Is your screen name YOUR NAME? How many would want it to be your name?
When you call the auto parts store for information about a water pump for you 69 Dodge do you tell them your Name, Occupation, Age, etc?
When you go to Albertsons for groceries do you use the little plastic cards that identify who you are so you can buy stuff cheaper or do you not want them to be able to target you with ads or have any file about you in any way?
If someone posts something that you are uncomfortable with you have two choices - respond or not respond. Calling someone out by telling them you will not talk to them until they satisfy you somehow does not seem to be a form of courtesy. You have the choice of not answering them, that way they will never have anything bad to say about you.
There are also as many answers to many questions asked as there are cuemakers. For any question there may be many correct answers but the correctness of the answer, for the questioner, depends on many factors - money, machinery, experience etc. That's why this is called a forum and if it was a forum just for cuemakers it would be called "Ask ANOTHER Cuemaker"
As a newbie on here I don't even know how to fill out all the boxes. Some of you have known me for many years, some not at all - it should not effect the value of the imformation given and certainly does not effect the value of imformation taken by me.
Bob Danielson bdcues
How many posters in here have an Ebay account? Is your screen name YOUR NAME? How many would want it to be your name?
When you call the auto parts store for information about a water pump for you 69 Dodge do you tell them your Name, Occupation, Age, etc?
When you go to Albertsons for groceries do you use the little plastic cards that identify who you are so you can buy stuff cheaper or do you not want them to be able to target you with ads or have any file about you in any way?
If someone posts something that you are uncomfortable with you have two choices - respond or not respond. Calling someone out by telling them you will not talk to them until they satisfy you somehow does not seem to be a form of courtesy. You have the choice of not answering them, that way they will never have anything bad to say about you.
There are also as many answers to many questions asked as there are cuemakers. For any question there may be many correct answers but the correctness of the answer, for the questioner, depends on many factors - money, machinery, experience etc. That's why this is called a forum and if it was a forum just for cuemakers it would be called "Ask ANOTHER Cuemaker"
As a newbie on here I don't even know how to fill out all the boxes. Some of you have known me for many years, some not at all - it should not effect the value of the imformation given and certainly does not effect the value of imformation taken by me.
Bob Danielson bdcues
Between Thanksgiving and X-mas I was working with 17 different buyers, on over 50 sets of j/ps, each one had a AZ handle, a Pay-pal name and sometimes a 3ed name, keeping them all straight was a real pain . Very confuseing. I'm not ashamed of my name or who i am. Jim
And I would bet that all 50 j/ps were not the same either and that you had to keep track of each one also... all very confusing. But I would assume that you got through it just fine. But did you feel the whole time that those you were doing business with, the ones with 2 or 3 names, were ashamed of who or what they were????
bdcues said:
That last question is an interesting one.
I have an AZ handle that is different from my eBay handle which is different from my real name. Am I confused by all this? Not at all. Ashamed? Of course not; why on earth should I be?
Plus numerous other handles for other things. Hard to keep track of? Not for me; I have a system for that, works great.
Flex
Very recently I did a test, I googled my name, just my name. I found that my picture came up, then also a link for my address. A lot of others did also, but mine was included. A little scary. I then googled a friend on my pool team, and included his city, nothing more. I found out he had just been arrested for DUI on New Years eve in the neighboring state, and had been arrested for assualt around thanksgiving. It's VERY scary that with only a name, you can get info that easily. Imagine if you use the age, address, etc. to narrow it down and then use that info in a bad way.
I firmly believe that if your going to flame someone, it won't stop you from doing it because they know your name. I use my first name only, due to that's the normal protocal when you meet and interact with someone casually in public, example... Hello, I'm Ed and this is my friend Dave. The only time I introduce myself with first and last is when meeting with clients for the first time at my day job, or when doing a side job, anotherwords when money is involved. If people here need to know more info than my first name, then they need to pm me and then maybe I will. Until then I don't think it's nessesary for others to have my full info so they can be able to do a background check for their own purposes.
Just My Opinion.
Dave
I firmly believe that if your going to flame someone, it won't stop you from doing it because they know your name. I use my first name only, due to that's the normal protocal when you meet and interact with someone casually in public, example... Hello, I'm Ed and this is my friend Dave. The only time I introduce myself with first and last is when meeting with clients for the first time at my day job, or when doing a side job, anotherwords when money is involved. If people here need to know more info than my first name, then they need to pm me and then maybe I will. Until then I don't think it's nessesary for others to have my full info so they can be able to do a background check for their own purposes.
Just My Opinion.
Dave
I'm the one that started this thread. I thought we could tweek the PROFILE info, so that posters would have a better idea about how to answer the questions posed. For example if the poster were a student or a machinist you might answer a question differently. I WAS WRONG. I have no interest in your REAL name or address. I think we have exhausted this idea & again I did not express myself clear enough, to even get my original idea accross well enough to discuss it. I'm satisfied with the response & am ready for the next big thing. THANKS TO ALL WHO POSTED...JER
dave sutton
Banned
i believe it was arnie that stated he would not answer a question intil the poster disclosed his name address and phone number or something to that effect.
Arnot Wadsworth said:Thanks Chris - I think you hit the nail on the head. I also wonder sometimes who these people are who don't list their names and addresses and phone numbers. I think they would be a lot more careful if they would use their own names etc.
I personally am trying to be more tactful - it sure is hard
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dave sutton said:
Hi Dave - I know you were sick last week. Hope you are feeling better now.
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I'd be a little more happy if they just signed their questions with a first name, What harm could that possibly do. Not like they have to say Bob, I can spell my name backwards and by the way it's my hobby to. Just Bob would be fine.
I very rarely post in this forum. In fact...my posts here have been strictly limited to questions I have regarding the building of a cue, materials, or something to that effect. I know absolutely dick about cuemaking. I just know that the things you guys do with wood is amazing. I don't do anything in my life as well as you guys build cues...even you guys that are new to it. I KNOW I can't contribute any knowledge to this forum...so I don't give my unsolicited opinion. And...seeing as how I can't even put on a tip...I wouldn't even dream of having the gall to criticize anything a cuemaker here may or may not do.
The people that make cues are the ones that allow me to enjoy the game of pool...and I appreciate that immensely...despite the fact that, for lack of a better phrase, I suck at pool. (OK...I'm decent...but that's on a good day) I get aggravated when I see people criticize the gentlemen in here that are kind enough to share the knowledge they've accumulated through years of blood, sweat, and tears in the shop.
In my extremely humble opinion...I think if you're going to give your opinion...you should have the decency to man up and present yourself as those you dare to criticize have done. To be honest...if I don't know who you are...what's your opinion mean to me? There's a lot to a name.
Mine's Hayden McCall
For all that contribute to this section of AZ...thank you for sharing your knowledge, despite knowing that you'll forever be open to jabs from those that haven't the slightest clue what's involved in cuemaking.
The people that make cues are the ones that allow me to enjoy the game of pool...and I appreciate that immensely...despite the fact that, for lack of a better phrase, I suck at pool. (OK...I'm decent...but that's on a good day) I get aggravated when I see people criticize the gentlemen in here that are kind enough to share the knowledge they've accumulated through years of blood, sweat, and tears in the shop.
In my extremely humble opinion...I think if you're going to give your opinion...you should have the decency to man up and present yourself as those you dare to criticize have done. To be honest...if I don't know who you are...what's your opinion mean to me? There's a lot to a name.
Mine's Hayden McCall
For all that contribute to this section of AZ...thank you for sharing your knowledge, despite knowing that you'll forever be open to jabs from those that haven't the slightest clue what's involved in cuemaking.