I believe that this forum was created for the free exchange of information.
Exchange of information, yes.
Flames from trolls and people hiding, I say no.
Exchange of information, yes.
Flames from trolls and people hiding, I say no.
Identify Yourself
- Thread starter BLACKHEARTCUES
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Bill the Cat said:You can't stop someone from posting negative comments. Even if their comments are blantently untrue, good luck in doing anything about it. Are you going to hire a lawyer and sue them? Are you going over to their house and punch them in the nose?
So, what difference does it make if you know their name? OK, you get people to include their name in a post, what's to say it's their REAL name. All-in-all I don't see the point
I believe that this forum was created for the free exchange of information. A chance for ANYONE to pose questions to cuemakers and get their OPINIONS. I asked lots of questions when I first came on board....and, thankfully, I got a lot of help from the cuemakers who post in this forum. Let me take this opportunity to thank all of you for that.
I've learned a lot since I first started posting my "dumb" questions here and I now I try to return the favor by answering questions when I feel I have something to contribute. I don't mind if you don't identify who you are....I don't mind if you don't agree with me....I don't mind if you make fun of my posts...All that matters is that you have a question and I'll do my best to answer it. I truely hope that there are other cuemakers who feel this way.
Hi Bill; Don't you think that if you ask a question here & someone gives you an answer, it be helpfull to know the poster is a cuemaker or repairman with experience enough to give the advice? Rather than find that the poster is a bored teenager, just making up what he THINKS would work. If we had to identify ourselves, maybe we could be more sure of the validity of the advice, we were getting...JER
JoeyInCali said:
TAP TAP TAP!
Hi, my name is Kevin Varney and I was wondering what tip will draw....
Yeah, and the one who got caught using it is now missing.DaveK said:
So are his "friends".
I agree with this and I also don't agree to some degree! I personaly beleive in the right to privacy! UNLESS, you are coming on here bashing someone. Then I beleive you should have the BALLS to state your name and not hide behind the internet walls! JMO! At least then the person being bashed has the chance to respond to that person. For example if there was a previous problem and this is the reason for the bashing. I personally have not had any type of problems on here with anyone. So I am one of the lucky ones! And if there ever is a problem here I sure hope that I can rectify the problem on a personal level versus a public one.BLACKHEARTCUES said:
This is a great forum and I really enjoy reading some of the threads on here. Sometimes I learn something here and sometime I don't. But I always keep my eyes open to other ways of doing things.
Llike I said this is just my opinion only! Doesn't make it right and doesn't make it wrong. Just makes it mine! Anytime someone needs some help that I can help with give me a call!
Arnot Wadsworth said:
Yeah, I gotta totally disagree with this one. I go by "qbilder". I don't identify myself but don't hide it, either. My purpose is certainly not because I don't want anybody to identify me. I don't care who reads what & knows it came from me. You saying that these are the reasons cuemakers don't identify themselves is accusive & blatantly wrong. I'm not starting an argument or being rude, just stating my difference of opinion.
My reasoning for not identifying myself is because I don't have to, and i'm not here to use a public forum as cheap advertising. I'm here to read, post, conversate. I'm not here to win customers, so why do I need to give my name after every post? I'm an online personality who's unique in opinion & humor & my name to you or anybody else on this forum is, qbilder. It has nothing to do with foul intentions as you assume. I'm not advertising & not getting paid to be here, so nobody needs to know anything personal unless I just choose to share. They only need to know i'm, qbilder, & my opinion is this if they are interested in reading. The topics are about cues & cue building, not about who's who. So I disagree with your post. Not identifying ourselves has absolutely nothing to do with being wrong & afraid everybody will know, or about being a snake in the grass by snapping at people without them knowing where it came from. It's about a silly online forum where we can make up silly names & talk about the things we enjoy and/or do. We are not here to advertise or search for business or form "good ole' boy" clubs. We are here to talk about cuemaking.
That said, I think everybody here knows who I am, anyway. My name is Eric Crisp & I build Sugartree Customs. Now does this information matter in any degree of cuemaking conversation? It shouldn't be the names you are interested in, but the information shared that counts. Again, not trying to argue or sound rude. I'm just stating my position on this "identification" conversation like everybody else has. Anybody can join in & participate & can do so for whatever reasons they choose. Best of all, they can do it with anonyminity. So don't post anymore if you are offended by those who don't identify themselves. That's your right, just like it's their right to not identify themselves. If the forum was used ONLY as it's intended, then this topic would never have been started in the first place.
DaveK said:
LOL...I wasn't talking about billet rings on a budget.
Confused
Not sure what was said that makes you feel this way. I have no desire to be a cuemaker, but as avid fan of cuemaking and cues, I love to read about certain topics.
I think there are some hard headed cuemakers on here who believe their way is the only way. When questioned or given an opinion by someone who is not a cuemaker they take the comments and criticism to heart (i.e. defining a Hoppe Ring). I think most of the cuemakers on here are a great source of info and I appreciate all the time taken out to write on these threads.
As for who are the posters... you can always ask if you really need to know? Anybody with value to add and knowledge to obtain should be forth coming in who they are.
BTW .. My name is Sanjay Sachdeva.... need more info just ask.
Thanking all cuemakers for their post.
Not sure what was said that makes you feel this way. I have no desire to be a cuemaker, but as avid fan of cuemaking and cues, I love to read about certain topics.
I think there are some hard headed cuemakers on here who believe their way is the only way. When questioned or given an opinion by someone who is not a cuemaker they take the comments and criticism to heart (i.e. defining a Hoppe Ring). I think most of the cuemakers on here are a great source of info and I appreciate all the time taken out to write on these threads.
As for who are the posters... you can always ask if you really need to know? Anybody with value to add and knowledge to obtain should be forth coming in who they are.
BTW .. My name is Sanjay Sachdeva.... need more info just ask.
Thanking all cuemakers for their post.
Identifying oneself in an internet open forum is not a prerequisite. Truly nice to know who one replies to and some do extend that courtesy and at times we see the "Newbie Here" introduction posts. Just nice if somebody does but really doesn't matter to me. Why?
My answering a query isn't a one-way from me to you thing, for me, specially because it's an open forum where a lot of eyes and minds are focused on the issue. I'm no database of answers so I share from my experience and understanding of the education I've received all through my lifetime and hope that someone will share his/her (exp & educ) that may enhance mine.
I enjoy the net as a tool to learn, communicate and entertain then reciprocate in kind. Dealing with just a "u-name", my brain still controls my finger so if I do respond there's no sense to include attitude in a bunch of letters before my eyes unless it's for my entertainment:dance: .
My answering a query isn't a one-way from me to you thing, for me, specially because it's an open forum where a lot of eyes and minds are focused on the issue. I'm no database of answers so I share from my experience and understanding of the education I've received all through my lifetime and hope that someone will share his/her (exp & educ) that may enhance mine.
I enjoy the net as a tool to learn, communicate and entertain then reciprocate in kind. Dealing with just a "u-name", my brain still controls my finger so if I do respond there's no sense to include attitude in a bunch of letters before my eyes unless it's for my entertainment:dance: .
JoeyInCali said:
Joey,
It seems that you in particular have been trashed at times, not so much by the so called trolls and people hiding but by some of the good old boys whose rudeness exceed the boundaries of patience. Now, if we all fully identify ourselves
who's left to interceed and remind them about all the crap they have produced in the name of cuemaking, and snake oil selling in the past before they became untouchable.Maybe is not about who you are or what you know but rather the willingness and open mindness to communicate in a respectful honorable way whatever your personal experiences have been. The so-called newbie or passerby will have to sort out the info on their own just like the rest of us have done.
I read this board atleast once a day and sometimes a few times. I'm very grateful for all the information that has been and will be shared in the future. I hardly ever respond because is insane most of the time.
For some this is an advertizing tool therefore they have to appear more knowledgeable, more rigid, and wear bigger halos than the Saints themselves. Let's not kid each other, they do get business from the website. God bless them. Just don't come accross too self sacrificing.
AS far as I'm concern I don't want to know anymore information than what the individual is willing to share within his comfort zone.
Mario
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I understand your reticence, and Arnot unfortunately dealt with quite a few people on here in less than cordial terms, which hasn't endeared him to everybody. He has some very strong opinions about what should be charged for say changing a tip, and so on. He, of course, if free to charge whatever he likes, that's his choice. But there is a free market out there for all sorts of things, like say, changing tips. And those who perform that service will charge what the market will bear.
In any case, I have a question for you, sir.
I just visited your website, and must say you make some beautiful cues!
Tell me, do you make full splice cues, and if so, do you make the full splice blanks yourself, or if not, where do you get the blanks from?
Thanks,
Flex
dave sutton
Banned
i dont want to be a smarta$$ and i might catch hell for this but here it goes
im tired of other makers threatening to stop posting here. no one handcuffs you to the computer chair and makes you log on. if you dont want to be here dont be here. its simple. i already made this comment today. if you want to take your ball and go home im fine with that
i was very sick for the last 2 days. i tried everything to stay out of the hospital. still am luckily i think im ok. so far i came back to 2 makers threatening not to post anymore. cya
maybe my 104 deg fever is talking....
im tired of other makers threatening to stop posting here. no one handcuffs you to the computer chair and makes you log on. if you dont want to be here dont be here. its simple. i already made this comment today. if you want to take your ball and go home im fine with that
i was very sick for the last 2 days. i tried everything to stay out of the hospital. still am luckily i think im ok. so far i came back to 2 makers threatening not to post anymore. cya
maybe my 104 deg fever is talking....
Mase said:
Whether or not someone wishes to reveal their identity on a forum such as this one should be their choice, IMHO.
There are times when I may call up someone by phone to ask a question, and many times I don't identify myself, unless I know them personally, in which case that will be the first thing I mention.
However, why should everybody have to identify themselves?
I honestly don't get it.
If a poster is impolite, or rude, or a jerk, or whatever, nobody is obliged to respond.
The first time I bought a cue from someone over the phone, I didn't give them my contact info off the bat, only when I was satisfied by their responses to my questions and ready to give them my credit card info.
Now that I've bought three more cues from them, customs all, I start off by telling them who's calling. You see, we have a relationship now, which we didn't have the first time I called.
Expecting someone to tell you who they are before they're sure they want you to have that information is not always reasonable.
My 2 cents.
Flex
Dave:dave sutton said:
Get some rest and take care of yourself! I have been fighting this since New Years Eve. Some dumba$$ decided he was going to BBQ in the garage with the door open. Well lets just say I wont be doing that again anytime soon! LOL BBQ was good though!!!
First of all, nobody told you that you had to identify yourself as a cuemaker. When you signed up, you made that choice.
People will be people. Some will identify, some won't. Some CAN NOT identify, due to dangerous situations they might be in . They should not be restricted from such a great place, just because they need to protect their privacy.
I believe very strongly in online privacy. As a genealogist, I know how easy it is for predators to find people and take advantage of them (especially elderly people). If my mother got online and in a forum, I'd definitely prefer that she remain anonymous, for her own safety.
A lot of women won't identify themselves online for fear of being preyed upon.
What about people who have stalkers, or are in other abusive situations? If the victim wants to join the forum and feel like they can belong somewhere, for once, are you going to deny them that right and prefer them to be endangered, just because you feel like you need to know who they are? Is that more important to you?
Think about these things, you guys!
People will be people. Some will identify, some won't. Some CAN NOT identify, due to dangerous situations they might be in . They should not be restricted from such a great place, just because they need to protect their privacy.
I believe very strongly in online privacy. As a genealogist, I know how easy it is for predators to find people and take advantage of them (especially elderly people). If my mother got online and in a forum, I'd definitely prefer that she remain anonymous, for her own safety.
A lot of women won't identify themselves online for fear of being preyed upon.
What about people who have stalkers, or are in other abusive situations? If the victim wants to join the forum and feel like they can belong somewhere, for once, are you going to deny them that right and prefer them to be endangered, just because you feel like you need to know who they are? Is that more important to you?
Think about these things, you guys!
Flex said:
I totally agree!
Ken Strain
5779 Wedgewood Terrace
Liberty Township, OH 45044
(Just 15-20 minutes North of Cincy since October 2008)
I am Automation and Electrical Engineering Manager for the largest privately owned company in the world.
I have played pool with Mr. Neighbors (cuemaker here in cincy), love it here.
WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CUEMAKERS FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I follow most of you'se guys and all of you are just getting better and better on your cues. Frankly I'm proud of all you.
Ken
5779 Wedgewood Terrace
Liberty Township, OH 45044
(Just 15-20 minutes North of Cincy since October 2008)
I am Automation and Electrical Engineering Manager for the largest privately owned company in the world.
I have played pool with Mr. Neighbors (cuemaker here in cincy), love it here.
WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CUEMAKERS FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I follow most of you'se guys and all of you are just getting better and better on your cues. Frankly I'm proud of all you.
Ken