If Diamond tables didn't bank short...
- Thread starter realkingcobra
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Dave...no one can tell exactly how a table is going to play when it's new, with new cloth...ALL tables play great to some extent when they're new. It's when the cloth breaks in that things start to change, but knowing what to do...to change...at a factory level is not all that easy buddy, because one little change can tie in to several other changes, and knowing WHAT to change is a major factor into creating a change. Even Brunswick has put out tables that have failed badly, but because their name isn't Diamond....no one says anything about that...or have very short memories of Brunswick tables.
There's other mechanic's that can do the same work I can do, just not in your area as of right now...sorry, so do keep in touch:grin:
I'd love to be at the DCC...was planing on being there, BUT...I'm still traveling in the wrong direction as of right now. I'm in Montana right now, delivering a Diamond 9ft Professional here, then heading to Washington and Oregon from here...more tables to deliver...and these snow blizzards are NOT helping any:grin:
Thanks for the articulate response Glen.
Re: color. That is nutty...Didn't realize one was oil vs. water...and the pigmentation would be substantial enough to affect roll.
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Sorry to hear you'll miss DCC Glen, I guess that is at least partly my fault. Less than 1,000 miles away. Today we had freezing rain and a slight bit of snow (<1"). Weather will warm up into the lower 50s over the next several days, but rain is likely. Do you need tarps to cover the table with -- I can get some 3mil plastic or something like that.
-mark
The oil vs water dyes were a figure of speech, as a way of trying to explain the difference in the colors as to why the difference in play
No fault on you buddy, it comes with the job...you bought a Diamond table...so I have the job of getting it delivered to you....bottom line, everything else is secondary
I agree and the rails play great on gabriels tables. I wonder if the new diamond rail system plays similar to them?
Well, with all this talk about double and triple facings to tighten pockets instead of extending the rails to tighten the pockets...one would think that Gabriel's would know how to extend their rails in order to get the pockets to 4 1/2"...instead of installing pocket facings 3/8" thick...which is equal to triple shimming the pockets. And try banking the cue ball around the table doing a 9 rail bank....the Gabriel's falls short as in slow. Check the resale value of a Gabriel's table sometime....with most of the table build out of MDF....kind of like particle board....but, I guess they play OK, considering it's hard to get a pocket to reject a ball when they die inside the pockets with such thick facings. Ever wonder why the pocket facings wear right through the cloth on the points of the cushions???...Bank a ball on the point of the cushions and you'll find out why....because it's like shooting the ball in to a block of wood....but, yeah you're right...they can make you play like a real player....until you get on a Diamond that don't have dead pockets, which then makes you think....hey, my Gabriel's plays better than a Diamond....because it takes all the balls I fire at the pockets
The gabriels I played on did have pretty big pockets, which was nice for 14.1. Anyways I liked the way they banked, said nothing good about the rail length or pocket shimming. I just was wondering because you said you think a pool table should play like a billiards table with pocket(which I agree) and since gabriels makes mostly billiards tables, I thought it might play close to a billiards table. Was just a Q. The gabriels table I played on was a vector. They dont even make it anymore.
They are too tall off the ground...and for some reason a diamond table with aramith balls has more skid shots than anything i have ever seen...
I hear what you're saying, and I'm not dissagreeing with you, they do play nicer than a lot of other tables out here, but they use the Artemis K66 pool cushions, which don't give you that same rebound off the cushions like the Artemis intercontinental K55 cushions do that Diamond uses...which actually is a billiard cushion. You'd have to play on one of the newer Diamond's in order to feel what I'm talking about....I can't really put words to it as to how they play...other than to say they do play like billiard table...with pockets.
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I can't tell you how many times I've been asked to raise up the playing surface of a GC because so many people complain about how low they are. You have to understand something, the average height of players today is quite a bit taller today than when the playing surface height of a pool table was determined. If you think Diamond's sit to high, try playing on a 6'x12' snooker table sometime...with a playing surface height of about 34"...that's about 4" higher than a Diamond
Skids we've talked about already, the make of a pool table has nothing to do with balls skidding
THe tables are great, but the website is so bad. The have the old style for professional on it(rounded corners). They also need to get photos of the tables in different stains , not just a little palette. Also some technical info on the tables. The website really isn't very informative. Its a simple fix that would make a world of difference to buyers...
Also Ive seen difference leg styles on the professional that arent shown on the site, they need to show these options. Heck they dont even have the paragon on the site.
Also Ive seen difference leg styles on the professional that arent shown on the site, they need to show these options. Heck they dont even have the paragon on the site.