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Scaramouche

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This morning I came across an article by a top retail business executive who had gotten involved in amateur sports organizing. His comments would seem to mirror the state of pool in America.

?lost its way because of lack of strategy, organization, and execution?

?inbred club of [pool] types who either don?t want outsiders involved or don?t know how to enroll such people?

?found [pool] to be long on passion, short on vision, and adversarial in its dealings?

?[pool] has failed to win its fair share of mind or wallet, and to do so is critical to its success?

?Business is a collaboration of people and skills to achieve a common objective that is measurable and articulated to all. Essentially, business is a horizontal endeavour with each unit in a company moving in lockstep to achieve a common goal?

?[Pool] is a vertical endeavour with every sport, every event, and every participant focused on narrow self-interest at the expense of the greater good. This hinders [pool?s] ability to be seen as more than its component parts and capture the imagination of the population and the private and public sectors.?

?A business strives to deliver products and services to a defined customer segment. Ask 10 people to define [pool] and you will likeslyt get 11 different answers. [Pool} must, in unison, de-confuse its various publics about the significant differences between recreational and high-performance [pool]. Amateur [pool?s] three customer segments ? the public, government, and the private sector ? will potentially support both if customer expectations and needs are met in each. Failing to segment the two has worked against [pool]. Each is a noble cause, but each provides different benefits that need to be defined. Know what you are selling and to whom. Selling the benefits of improved metal counts to a customer focused on community involvement is as bad as selling the benefits of youth participation to a customer focused on high performance.?

?[Pool] is all vertical with no organization or process to manage the totality. The lack of a horizontal perspective is the single largest detriment to reaching the next level. Regrettably, the biggest losers are the [pool players]. To achieve their potential, [pool players] need a seamless support system.?

?[Pool is hindered by the sheer number of [pool] organizations. [Pool} leaders must find common ground, do away with duplication, re-allocate resources to the product and product development, create a strategy for the [pool] enterprise, and create a vision?.

?I encourage [enlisting] non-pool expertise, perspectives and skills.?

?If [pool] is to thrive and grow, take a lesson from the business community. Consolidate and collaborate. Reach out to leaders with proven track records. The experise is within reach ? utilize it and everyone will benefit?
 
Scaramouche said:
This morning I came across an article by a top retail business executive who had gotten involved in amateur sports organizing. His comments would seem to mirror the state of pool in America.

?lost its way because of lack of strategy, organization, and execution?

?inbred club of [pool] types who either don?t want outsiders involved or don?t know how to enroll such people?

?found [pool] to be long on passion, short on vision, and adversarial in its dealings?

?[pool] has failed to win its fair share of mind or wallet, and to do so is critical to its success?

?Business is a collaboration of people and skills to achieve a common objective that is measurable and articulated to all. Essentially, business is a horizontal endeavour with each unit in a company moving in lockstep to achieve a common goal?

?[Pool] is a vertical endeavour with every sport, every event, and every participant focused on narrow self-interest at the expense of the greater good. This hinders [pool?s] ability to be seen as more than its component parts and capture the imagination of the population and the private and public sectors.?

?A business strives to deliver products and services to a defined customer segment. Ask 10 people to define [pool] and you will likeslyt get 11 different answers. [Pool} must, in unison, de-confuse its various publics about the significant differences between recreational and high-performance [pool]. Amateur [pool?s] three customer segments ? the public, government, and the private sector ? will potentially support both if customer expectations and needs are met in each. Failing to segment the two has worked against [pool]. Each is a noble cause, but each provides different benefits that need to be defined. Know what you are selling and to whom. Selling the benefits of improved metal counts to a customer focused on community involvement is as bad as selling the benefits of youth participation to a customer focused on high performance.?

?[Pool] is all vertical with no organization or process to manage the totality. The lack of a horizontal perspective is the single largest detriment to reaching the next level. Regrettably, the biggest losers are the [pool players]. To achieve their potential, [pool players] need a seamless support system.?

?[Pool is hindered by the sheer number of [pool] organizations. [Pool} leaders must find common ground, do away with duplication, re-allocate resources to the product and product development, create a strategy for the [pool] enterprise, and create a vision?.

?I encourage [enlisting] non-pool expertise, perspectives and skills.?

?If [pool] is to thrive and grow, take a lesson from the business community. Consolidate and collaborate. Reach out to leaders with proven track records. The experise is within reach ? utilize it and everyone will benefit?

hmmmm........BMPAP!!
 
Are you sure that I didn't write that?

LOL

That sounds as if it could be a blanket diagnosis for several sports that linger in obscurity.

IMO, certain people in positions of power within the world of pool are more focused on interfering with the growth of the sport than they are with anything else. The longer that we remain trapped within this bubble, the longer we will remain where we are at.

We have to brave enough to burst the bubble and chase out the idiots that are hell bent on keeping us in the small containable empire that they can easily control.

There are people that are frustrated and discouraged because they have failed to burst the bubble in the past. They need to realize that they will only fail if they stop trying.

IMO, you just need a good battle plan. Just like in any military battle plan, you need to be able to shoot move and communicate in order to take the hill. A strategy is only good if it can be implemented effectively by the right people at the right time. We need to develop leaders within our sport - notice I said DEVELOP - not draft.

Those leaders need to be able to guide the players and the entire industry. There is this pipe dream that we need somebody to just schedule tournaments with big payouts and then we'll live happily ever after. We need short term, mid term, and long term goals - and we need to keep raising our standards along the way.

Once we start to develop the game of pool PROFESSIONALLY - then we will be taken seriously by other PROFESSIONAL entities. Right now, it takes big business about a half a second to look at us and figure out that pool has serious leadership and organizational issues. Nobody will invest in that.
 
Good....no, GREAT thread.

Blackjack, how do you think Mark Griffin is doing? Are his ideas sound in your opinion?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Good....no, GREAT thread.

Blackjack, how do you think Mark Griffin is doing? Are his ideas sound in your opinion?

Jeff Livingston

Mark is great person to lead our sport, but he cannot do it all by himself. He cannot do it forever. He cannot do it and juggle all of his other responsibilities for very long without collapsing from exhaustion.

I've talked to Mark and we have exchanged ideas back and forth over the past few years. While I admire Mark's determination and everything he is doing - I also realize that he will need to have a strong team behind him - developing leaders of the future for the game of pool. This will take time.

10 years ago, the UFC was worth about as much pool is now. John McCain was trying to shut it down, they were deep in the red - but one man had a vision. That was Dana White.

Dana made contact within the Nevada State Athletic Commission and found out how to legitimize a sport that was characterized as "barbaric". Along the way he was able to convince Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta to invest in the UFC.

Dana had a vision, and he stuck to his guns. The UFC of 10-12 years ago looks nothing like the UFC of today. It took time. It took cooperation. They had to weed out what belonged and what didn't belong - they had to weed out who belonged and who did not belong. The test of what and who belonged was put up against whether or not their inclusion benefited the vision. If your inclusion did not benefit the vision, your ass was outta there.

Dana White kicked ass and moved forward.

It took years, but he finally got MMA on television, through The Ultimate Fighter reality show, which culminated in the first live MMA show aired on Spike TV IN PRIME TIME, with Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg calling the action. It was something nobody thought they would ever see.

Today, MMA has a big following - mostly by fans that don't even participate in martial arts, wrestling, boxing, or jiu-jitsu. Why is that?

They understand their demographic.
They generate media attention easily.
Their goals and vision are clearly defined.

Pool has not identified their demographic AT ALL.
Pool can't draw flies in the media AT ALL.
Pool's goals and vision are not defined AT ALL.

So when we look at where we are and compare it to 10 years ago - and then compare it the UFC - we need to see what we can do along the same lines.

Joe Rogan can correct me on this, but I am pretty sure that prior to 2005 - prior to Griffin-Bonner 1 - there was very little interest in UFC advertising (compared to today. Now, they have companies like Harley Davidson & Budweiser knocking on THEIR door, not the other way around.

They survived a bankruptcy of one of their major sponsors earlier this year (Xyience) which had signed a $15 Million sponsorship deal for 2007. The UFC was strong enough to survive that - 10 years ago they weren't worth a fraction of that.

Joe is one of the guys that has been with the UFC since before all the success occurred - he has a lot of insight into what it took to get them there. It took everybody working hard TOGETHER.

I believe that we should learn from Dana White and follow in his footsteps. Easier said than done, but it wouldn't hurt.
 
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Blackjack said:
Mark is great person to lead our sport, but he cannot do it all by himself. He cannot do it forever. He cannot do it and juggle all of his other responsibilities for very long without collapsing from exhaustion.

I've talked to Mark and we have exchanged ideas back and forth over the past few years. While I admire Mark's determination and everything he is doing - I also realize that he will need to have a strong team behind him - developing leaders of the future for the game of pool. This will take time.

10 years ago, the UFC was worth about as much pool is now. John McCain was trying to shut it down, they were deep in the red - but one man had a vision. That was Dana White.

Dana made contact within the Nevada State Athletic Commission and found out how to legitimize a sport that was characterized as "barbaric". Along the way he was able to convince Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta to invest in the UFC.

Dana had a vision, and he stuck to his guns. The UFC of 10-12 years ago looks nothing like the UFC of today. It took time. It took cooperation. They had to weed out what belonged and what didn't belong - they had to weed out who belonged and who did not belong. The test of what and who belonged was put up against whether or not their inclusion benefited the vision. If your inclusion did not benefit the vision, your ass was outta there.

Dana White kicked ass and moved forward.

It took years, but he finally got MMA on television, through The Ultimate Fighter reality show, which culminated in the first live MMA show aired on Spike TV IN PRIME TIME, with Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg calling the action. It was something nobody thought they would ever see.

Today, MMA has a big following - mostly by fans that don't even participate in martial arts, wrestling, boxing, or jiu-jitsu. Why is that?

They understand their demographic.
They generate media attention easily.
Their goals and vision are clearly defined.

Pool has not identified their demographic AT ALL.
Pool can't draw flies in the media AT ALL.
Pool's goals and vision are not defined AT ALL.

So when we look at where we are and compare it to 10 years ago - and then compare it the UFC - we need to see what we can do along the same lines.

Joe Rogan can correct me on this, but I am pretty sure that prior to 2005 - prior to Griffin-Bonner 1 - there was very little interest in UFC advertising (compared to today. Now, they have companies like Harley Davidson & Budweiser knocking on THEIR door, not the other way around.

They survived a bankruptcy of one of their major sponsors earlier this year (Xyience) which had signed a $15 Million sponsorship deal for 2007. The UFC was strong enough to survive that - 10 years ago they weren't worth a fraction of that.

Joe is one of the guys that has been with the UFC since before all the success occurred - he has a lot of insight into what it took to get them there. It took everybody working hard TOGETHER.

I believe that we should learn from Dana White and follow in his footsteps. Easier said than done, but it wouldn't hurt.

Bump and thanks...

Another question....What can we, the league players and small-timers sitting out here in the cheap seats, do to help the situation?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Bump and thanks...

Another question....What can we, the league players and small-timers sitting out here in the cheap seats, do to help the situation?

Jeff Livingston

At the moment, Jeff, we're all in the cheap seats.

I am currently uploading a video of Thorsten Hohmann running 98 balls, and I touch upon that subject in the commentary.

What we need to do plaster pool everywhere in a positive light. Here in Orlando we have many professional and semi professional players - Sarah Ellerby, Wayne Catledge, Charlie Williams, myself, Adam Wheeler, Mike Sigel, Luis Viera - however the only coverage that pool gets is when there is a shooting in a parking lot, or if there is a shooting in a parking lot adjacent to a pool hall.

Late last year there was a dispute in the parking lot of large strip mall that has two supermarkets, martial arts academy, a movie theater, countless other stores. The domestic dispute escalated into attempted kidnapping and shots were fired. When the news channels showed up, they didn't show Albertson's, or the Cinema 12, they showed Backstage Billiards, even though the pool hall had absolutely NOTHING to do with the incident.

Last week a similar incident took place at a new pool hall called Tight Rack - the people involved in the shooting at this pool hall had never been in the pool hall before. Pool takes the blame for incidents like this because people are naive and uneducated about who we really are.

It starts at the local level. Do some charity fund raisers - in every town and city there is money that needs to be raised for many worthwhile charities. Everybody can do there part.

The videos I am providing commentary for, is my way of getting pool out there in a positive light on the internet. We can smash the stereotypes and prejudicial opinions of our game by showing everybody who we really are. If we don't bother, they'll never find that out.
 
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Blackjack said:
At the moment, Jeff, we're all in the cheap seats.

I am currently uploading a video of Thorsten Hohmann running 98 balls, and I touch upon that subject in the commentary.

What we need to do plaster pool everywhere in a positive light. Here in Orlando we have many professional and semi professional players - Sarah Ellerby, Wayne Catledge, Charlie Williams, myself, Adam Wheeler, Mike Sigel, Luis Viera - however the only coverage that pool gets is when there is a shooting in a parking lot, or if there is a shooting in a parking lot adjacent to a pool hall.

Late last year there was a dispute in the parking lot of large strip mall that has two supermarkets, martial arts academy, a movie theater, countless other stores. The domestic dispute escalated into attempted kidnapping and shots were fired. When the news channels showed up, they didn't show Albertson's, or the Cinema 12, they showed Backstage Billiards, even though the pool hall had absolutely NOTHING to do with the incident.

Last week a similar incident took place at a new pool hall called Tight Rack - the people involved in the shooting at this pool hall had never been in the pool hall before. Pool takes the blame for incidents like this because people are naive and uneducated about who we really are.

It starts at the local level. Do some charity fund raisers - in every town and city there is money that needs to be raised for many worthwhile charities. Everybody can do there part.

The videos I am providing commentary for, is my way of getting pool out there in a positive light on the internet. We can smash the stereotypes and prejudicial opinions of our game by showing everybody who we really are. If we don't bother, they'll never find that out.

Thanks...I'll give it some more thought.

Jeff Livingston
 
Aside from the problems associated with narrow self-interests on the part of too many in the sport, pool suffers from being non-TV friendly.
The various artistic pool programs that ESPN has endeavored to run don't do bad ratings wise- at least not compared to other billiards programming.
Pro players simply make it look too easy. That's why they're pros. Trick shots, however, look difficult- despite being fairly programmed- and are deemed more impressive (by a non-player who may stumble upon a program) than a well executed position shot in 9-ball.
The various fighting programs are successful because, well, they're violent. They're the equivalent to slowing down to view the crash on I-85. In order for billiards to have mass appeal, it ultimately has to sell whatever soul remains within the industry.
Selling out hasn't served anyone well thus far.
Blackjack's assertion that the industry needs to develop new leaders is sound. The problem, unfortunately, comes from the fact that no mechanism seems plausible to make the free spirits in pool follow those leaders. Self interests are generally more powerful than a motivation to contribute to the collective good- when the fruits for doing so are deemed too meager.
A solution surely exist. Although, like most, I'm far from being wise enough to find it, someday someone will...
 
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