If you could operate a league, and even if you do now...

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I don't want this to turn into another league bashing thread, because there's at least 3 threads a week doing that with one league or another...

I'd like to see some honest opinions on what people would do with the power to start fresh...

So let's go the other way... If you decided to start a nationally sanctioned league, how would you do it ?

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Let's assume you have 100 players that want to join your league.

And you only have one night of play.

And if your league is a 'team' night, five players to a team (20 teams).

And you also have to decide which game is played, as well as if and how you will handicap this league.

But the league sanction fees, the weekly (player/team) dues, how many weeks of play in your season, the tavern fees, paybacks, allotted monies for the nationals, and anything else you can think of are completely at your own discretion.

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Now, how do you distribute it back ? What percentage do you keep for yourself ?

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And if you currently run a league, fill in the blanks, and post them. You can even elude to why you do things the way you do in your league.

I'm looking forward to seeing some great responses...
 
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I am hoping this is a serious thread and not just another attempt to get an APA bashing thread going.



However, IF i had the time and desire to run my own 20 team league, It would be an in house cash league with no handicaps. The only restriction I would have is that I would compile a list of A rated players and no 5 man team could have more than 2 on it. All macthes would be 8-ball race to 4 one session and 9-ball race to 6 the next session. 4 players per team would play per night - $ 10 per head or $40 per team.

Additionally if you finish a session at more than 75% winning % age then you would be added to the A list and your team may have to change for the next session.

I would run 2 sessions and pay back 100 % in the following way 25%, 15% 10% in the regular sason and 25%,15% and 10% for playoffs.

Playoff format would be top 6 make it with 1 and 2 getting first round bye's. Then it would be a true double knockout.

That would be my ideal scenario IF I had time to run a league. Because I don't have time, I like both the APA and BCA formats just fine. One allows me to play higher skilled players and one allows me to play with my wife. The only issue i have is that in the BCA format, the same team won all the time in my area



Leagueguy
 
I'm hoping that this stays a serious thread, too...

I'm really curious. All this league bashing, and no one ever offers an alternative.

I've refined the original post so that it's more general in the things people would implement.

And I would really like to see the responses...
 
I saw your post yesterday and wanted to give it some thought on how to respond. I am in this position right now. A friend of mine and I are/ have started a BCA league in South Orange County California. I am not here to "BASH" one league or the other. I have played in many different leagues. They ALL have there good and there bad. The one Great thing they have all had in common is along they way I have met a lot of great pool playing friends. From my experiences and for my level of play and what I want in a league, I have found the BCAPL to be the route that I want to go down. I have been going to the BCAPL Nationals every year since my first in 2004. It is an experience unlike any other from the organization the level of play and the overall atmosphere of the experience.

Here in Orange County there was no where to play BCA with out a minimum commute of an hour which can easily change to 2 hrs+ with traffic so we decided to start one down here.




Lance Link said:
I don't want this to turn into another league bashing thread, because there's at least 3 threads a week doing that with one league or another...

I'd like to see some honest opinions on what people would do with the power to start fresh...

So let's go the other way... If you decided to start a nationally sanctioned league, how would you do it ?
For starters I read the operators manual backwards and forwards several times to make sure I knew what I was getting into. Through networking with friends we started generating interest. Collecting phone numbers of interested players etc. Advertised with flyers and BCAPL provided signs in the local pool hall. Started a thread here which generated several players. Set a start date and went for it!!

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Let's assume you have 100 players that want to join your league.

We are starting with 8 teams of 6. 5 regulars and one alternate you can have more than one alternate

And you only have one night of play.
Wednesday nights only for now

And if your league is a 'team' night, five players to a team (20 teams).

And you also have to decide which game is played, as well as if and how you will handicap this league.

As much as I wanted to start a "scratch league" My partner and I agreed that to get enough interest to get the required number to get the league sanctioned we would need to go the handicapped route. We play 8 ball with balls left on the table determining the score, average is also based that way NO keeping track of Innings or safeties

But the league sanction fees, the weekly (player/team) dues, how many weeks of play in your season, the tavern fees, paybacks, allotted monies for the nationals, and anything else you can think of are completely at your own discretion.

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Now, how do you distribute it back ? What percentage do you keep for yourself ?There is A LOT of work involved getting a league set up and a lot of responsibility in running one that should be compensated for Our fees this first go round are $10 a week with 7$ going into prize fund 1$ a week to table time and 2$ to administrative expenses. There will be payouts for every team and top shooter male and female, most improved and added money to the end of season tournament as well.

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And if you currently run a league, fill in the blanks, and post them. You can even elude to why you do things the way you do in your league.

I'm looking forward to seeing some great responses...
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We are a brand new league I am sure there will be many changes in moving forward with expansion. We have expressed to all of or players that "our league is there league" We are open to any and all suggestions for improvement .

If you are looking to do this I highly suggest that you contact the BCAPL office. Sarah, has been working with us and has bee a great help.

Good Luck,
Darin
 
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dr2112 said:
I have been going to the BCAPL Nationals every year since my first in 2004. It is an experience unlike any other from the organization the level of play and the overall atmosphere of the experience.
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I look forward to going out again in 2011. In my opinion, for pool players, this is our Graceland...

There are many models that different regions use for thier leagues. I wish you the best for you and the expansion of your league.

Stay in touch, I'd like to know how things work out...
 
I would have a Straight Pool League $20 entry per night $5 to the house $5 to the League Office and $10 to the player pool.

Would divide the league into A players, B players and C players flights.

At the end of each season the winner of each flight enters the final tournament. C plays B race to 120 to see who plays the A flight for the title.

Each Flight Champion will receive a trophy and some prize money. The over all champion will also receive money for that honor.

No handicaps within flights. For the overall championships: B gives C 50 points in race to 120, A gives C 75 points in race to 120. A gives B 50 points in race to 120 in the finals.

Probably no one would play in this league but that's how I'd do it.
 
Lance Link said:
I look forward to going out again in 2011. In my opinion, for pool players, this is our Graceland...

There are many models that different regions use for thier leagues. I wish you the best for you and the expansion of your league.

Stay in touch, I'd like to know how things work out...
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I will certainly be there again we will have to hook up and shoot some. Your league in New York sounds quite intriguing but a bit far of a drive or even flight for me.
 
LeagueGuy said:
The only restriction I would have is that I would compile a list of A rated players and no 5 man team could have more than 2 on it.
Leagueguy
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The first response on this thread and already a formula that will induce "sandbagging".

Why handicap any player? Why not just handicap the team like bowling does?

In your system, if they already have two "A" players and another one or two players on that team starts moving "up the ladder", then somebody's gonna hafta "bag" or the team will get penalized/split up.

Maniac
 
dr2112 said:
I will certainly be there again we will have to hook up and shoot some. Your league in New York sounds quite intriguing but a bit far of a drive or even flight for me.
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Sounds like a plan to me, we'll hash out the details as we get closer. The Splash Bar is no more, but there's "Queen Victoria's British Pub" we can down a few at.

It's a pretty solidified league around here. It's had a couple of different names and incarnations in the past, but the overall mission statement has been the same.

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Alternates are recommended in our league, too. That sixth person comes in handy when somebody has to work late, or can't get a sitter. But we always try to have all six players there every night.

The first thing I make clear to anyone that plays on my team is that "This is a team effort. Leave your ego at the door".

If everyone is playing well, sometimes the 6th player will sit out the entire night (but will DEFINETELY play the entire night the next week).

If somebody is not on thier game, the 6th person goes in for them.

They know it's a team effort. My players understand that playing only half the night isn't personal. The important thing is everybody getting the required number of games in to be eligible for the playoffs, and to compete in Las Vegas.

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Our LO collects $15 from each player at the start of every season. This is the 'league sanction fee' to help offset operations costs (paper, ink cartridges, website fees, etc). The remainder is then divided between the LO, the secretary and the treasurer.

Seems like a lot, but with 100 players ($1500), even before operations costs, they each only get $500 for 16-20 weeks worth of maintaining and updating averages on a constant basis.

All the weekly dues and the tavern fees go back to the players. And at the start of every season, the LO holds a meeting and asks for input on any topic they want to discuss (averages, how to divide payouts, etc).

The best thing I can suggest if to be completely upfront and forthcoming regarding the dues, payouts, and how you plan to distribute them. The sheet I pasted on this post is from this past summer season. If anyone wants to question what comes in and goes out, it's all there in black and white.

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I have a feeling your statement, "Our league is thier league" is going to go a long way in ensuring its success...
 

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It wouldnt matter how you run your area, just a few sugestions: make a rules commitee to settle disputes, 5 people voted on before session starts and use new people every time. post everthing online like stats, scheds. or even a short weekly news letter about great matches, sportsmanship ect. also recomend two end of year tournys upper 50% and lower% playing for money. upper bracket pays more of course. I feel this would encourage newer players. so the money is spred to some weaker teams. and just for fun it would be differnt instead of a timeout you use a desinated hitter one shot.
 
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It wouldnt matter how you run your area, just a few sugestions: make a rules commitee to settle disputes, 5 people voted on before session starts and use new people every time. post everthing online like stats, scheds. or even a short weekly news letter about great matches, sportsmanship ect. also recomend two end of year tournys upper 50% and lower% playing for money. upper bracket pays more of course. I feel this would encourage newer players. so the money is spred to some weaker teams. and just for fun it would be differnt instead of a timeout you use a desinated hitter one shot.
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Some good ideas here!!!

Maniac
 
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