If You Started Collecting Today

May or may not increase in value. Read the post. IMO bad advice.
Just because somebody isn't a cue snob and doesn't pick Searing Or Szamboti,
It's not bad advice. Cause that's what you are saying.

No that's not what I am saying.

Kevin's post above is spot on.

Ken
 
If you were to start collecting Cues today, what builders would you focus on?

I guess collecting can be many things, things you like but may or may not increase in value, and things you collect expecting them to increase in value.

Replies to both are welcome but mainly I am asking about the latter.

Bill Schick
Richard Black
Richard Chudy
Jerry McWhorter
Thomas Wayne
Mike Bender
Paul Mottey
James White
Black Boar
Tad Kohara
Jim Buss ( just cause I like them)
 
No that's not what I am saying.

Kevin's post above is spot on.

Ken

The OP was asking what would you collect. Then after a few posts of perfectly good collectible cue makers here comes...."I wouldn't collect those." Then the proverbial car reference... and if your going to invest... Save it.
 
Andy Gilbert was mentioned in a couple of posts - I have the fanciest -G- cue that Andy made in his first 18 months of making cues - talk about collectible! (if you're into collecting Gilbert's cues). It is freshly refinished by Andy. If you are interested in looking at it, please let me know either by PM or post it here w/your email and I'll send you pics, specs & price.

I also have a couple of very unique Dave Kikel cues that anyone would be proud to own - they are about 12-15 years old but in excellent shape.

Good luck in your quest.

Dave
 
IMO, lots of bad advice above.

There are only 3-5 makers that I would consider collectable and that will increase in value.

I equate it a lot to cars.

1969 Z/28 - If you can buy it in original condition at a good price, it is a collectable and will increase in value, but to make a ton isn't going to happen, anyone with sense knows what they are worth.

2013 Z/28 - 100X better car, not collectable, will lose value.

Some above say this guy or this guy is a great cue maker and he is still alive and makes a ton of cues, his cues are not collectable.

The time for buying 1969 Z28 Camaros is gone, you missed it.

I don't think there is any cues built today that is going to be tomorrows Szamboti or Balabushka, again that time has passed and you missed it.

JMO

Ken

Ken, when you equate it to cars, you're right on the money!

But. . . .

Yes, the time to buy a 1969 Z28 has passed. Every decade, though, had its gem. Even the smog years. The trick is spotting them, and predicting the future. . . .
In the 70s, the collector car that people were buying and putting up was the 1976 Eldorado~ "the last convertible", GM claimed.
Then in 1983, they reintroduced convertibles! And the value of the convertibles plumetted. Add in the factor that many people predicted their collectability, and this created a glut. . . .
The real collectibles from that decade now turn out to be TransAm SEs (Bandits) and (surprise!) Lil Red Express trucks. Nobody was collecting TransAms in the 70s- every Guido had.one, and they punished the sh*t out of 'em! That's why so few clean ones rremain. . ..
Predicting trends is hard, and sometimes bucking the mainstream gives the best results.
My advice to anyone beginning to collect is this:
1) always buy quality- there are a ton of guys making really nice product right now
2)buy pieces that YOU enjoy. After all, it's YOUR collection~ it's about making YOU happy, right?
 
Ken, when you equate it to cars, you're right on the money!

But. . . .

Yes, the time to buy a 1969 Z28 has passed. Every decade, though, had its gem. Even the smog years. The trick is spotting them, and predicting the future. . . .
In the 70s, the collector car that people were buying and putting up was the 1976 Eldorado~ "the last convertible", GM claimed.
Then in 1983, they reintroduced convertibles! And the value of the convertibles plumetted. Add in the factor that many people predicted their collectability, and this created a glut. . . .
The real collectibles from that decade now turn out to be TransAm SEs (Bandits) and (surprise!) Lil Red Express trucks. Nobody was collecting TransAms in the 70s- every Guido had.one, and they punished the sh*t out of 'em! That's why so few clean ones rremain. . ..
Predicting trends is hard, and sometimes bucking the mainstream gives the best results.
My advice to anyone beginning to collect is this:
1) always buy quality- there are a ton of guys making really nice product right now
2)buy pieces that YOU enjoy. After all, it's YOUR collection~ it's about making YOU happy, right?

Agreed and I see your point.

My point and I seem to have a hard time expressing it.

When few cuemakers were making cues, it was easier.

Let me explain and not sound like a cue snob..:rolleyes:. Because I will use cues that I have or had.

IMO, Rick Howard cues are not collectable cues. Maybe some of the best playing cues out there. But are they collectable? IMO, no. Will they be in the future? Probably not. I love em, owned several but they are not, collectable.

I used to on the Tad M-1, again. It is known as they entry level birdseye cue. Again, maybe one of the best playing cues I have played with. Collectable? Nope. But as Kevin (and Kevin and I seldom agree) mentioned and I agree is the medium and upper Tads to me would always be collectable.

Josswest, by and large most are NOT collectable IMO, especially those he made like Gina "catalog" cues. Now if you had Josswest cues that are NOT on the catalog, I would consider them collectable as they would different.

Southwest cues, I often look at the price these cues bring and shake my head. I have an old JF era ebony Southwest, its a great playing cue, but Southwest makes a ton of cues, and unless it is one of the "fancy" ones, I have a hard time thinking they are collectable cues.

JMO.

So not a snob, just don't think every cue is a collector cue.

Cues that I am surprised that haven't risen in value?

Rambow - I owned one for years expecting values to go up but they really didn't move much. I think I bought one for $1400 and sold it for $2200 or so.

Martin cues - made in limited numbers but really haven't soared in value like I thought it would.

Ken
 
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