If your cues have EVER been damaged because of the case you use, post your story here

Instroke

I didn't hear that about the interior. On tube cases there are two parts, the exterior covering and the interior cavities. I ran Instroke out of Colorado for 3 years and owned a few Martinez cues and never had the same problem you did. So I consider it to be something of an anomaly.

Anything can happen and if it was happening with all of your cues then somethign was obviously wrong with the case and not the cues.

As I stated previously I did have a man come to me with the complain that the "case" was making his cues sticky.

Upon inspection, which included dissection, we found that some sugary liquid had been spilled into the case and had coagulated inside the cavity.

The man agreed that this was not our fault, he accepted the free new interior with profuse apologies and thanks and it was done.

Again, sorry you had a problem, if you had come to me then it would have been resolved through inspection and if our case was found to be causing this damage with no external influence, which we should have been able to duplicate, then I would certainly have paid for your cues to be repaired or even replaced.

But, you didn't come to me even though I was probably just down the road from you when this happened. So your story doesn't really need a reply. If you had then your story would have had the ending that we worked it out and figured out the problem and everyone walked away happy.

I will never say that it's impossible for a cue to be damaged in our cases. There are too many variables. But I do my best to make sure that there is very little chance of anything happening.

And with over ten thousand cases on the market bearing my designs and only a very few such stories like yours I feel that such stories are the exception rather than the rule.

As for your last comment,

No one does this on purpose. But things happen and that's why I build the cases the way I build them. It's really simple, you have all the choice you could ever want in cue cases. I am certain that you bought your Instroke case because you knew other people that were happy with them and were using them without problems. The same goes for any case maker. The point is that if you choose mine you get a certain protection level that goes beyond what some others choose to provide. You can adjust your behavior according to the case you buy.

Like I said, it's like insurance, you don't know the value of it until you need it. So you don't unsnap the case and turn it upside down. Ok, but if that situation ever occurs like maybe some crackhead tries to grab you case and run away and you fight them off and in the process your lid comes unsnapped then you will be grateful that your cues stayed put in the case.

Thanks for the story, I wish you had come to me and then I guarantee it would have had a happier ending. Next time call the company if you think that their product is defective and you will probably get taken care of.

John Barton - former owner and designer of Instroke Cue Cases.

P.S. For those that don't really know me.

I did the road for a decade. Me and my cases went everywhere from local touraments to regional ones to national event to booths at the World Championships. I also took a tool kit along and fixed many cases of ours as well as many cases from other brands during that time. I have always been accessible through these forums and someone always knows how to find me. Hundreds of customers over the years can attest that I took care of their problems and they walked away happy and satisfied. With a few I dogged it and took too long but in the end everyone was covered.

Here's some Instroke trivia.
Let's see if you can identify this old case.

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GTF Case

I like to put shafts tip up to keep chalk out of the case tubes and the butts pin up. The second time I used a GTF Prestige case I dented 2 shafts already in the case while trying to put the last 2 shafts in the case while there was already 2 shafts and 2 butts inside. I removed the butts and got the shafts in OK, but everything was very tight. I'll stick to tube cases where the space is guaranteed.

On another note, my 4x8 Barton/Sterling holds everything without a problem, but does spit off the zipper pulls on occasion.

Finally, an unknown soft case once failed to stay on top of my car as I drove 4 miles home in a snowstorm. It took my first 2 piece cue with it...
 
Here's some Instroke trivia.
Let's see if you can identify this old case.

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If it's a tube case then it's one of the Nature Series.

We did this color combination and pockets in tube cases, semi hard cases and in the soft cases.

I carried and Instroke soft case, 3x6 for a few years. Loved it. They never were very popular though because people couldn't understand why the price was close to that of the hard tube cases.
 
All this talk and testing by John Barton got me thinking, I have never heard a story of a case being the reason a cue was damaged.

I have heard and it has happened to me, damage done to a cue by leaning up against a wall or table and having it fall over. Plenty of people now sell cue holders for such protection.

I have heard of damage being done by banging it on the edge of a pool table. Maybe I should come up with some rubber guards that can go around the edge of your pool table. Consider this a patent, trademark - I am sure that they have cheap rubber in China and John Barton will try to steal my idea.

So, if your cue has been damaged because you were storing it in your case - please post your story here. I want to hear all about it. Did you drop your case? Did you run over your case? Did your girlfriend throw it out the window? Did your dog piss on it? And most importantly - What kind of case was it?


yes I have, I got a million little micro scratches in the finish on one cue I carried in a case for a few months. I had the cue maker buff the cue out and it sparkles now, the new case its in hasnt been a issue. I am not going to elaborate on this. but to answere again YES!!!!
 
All this talk and testing by John Barton got me thinking, I have never heard a story of a case being the reason a cue was damaged.

I have heard and it has happened to me, damage done to a cue by leaning up against a wall or table and having it fall over. Plenty of people now sell cue holders for such protection.

I have heard of damage being done by banging it on the edge of a pool table. Maybe I should come up with some rubber guards that can go around the edge of your pool table. Consider this a patent, trademark - I am sure that they have cheap rubber in China and John Barton will try to steal my idea.

So, if your cue has been damaged because you were storing it in your case - please post your story here. I want to hear all about it. Did you drop your case? Did you run over your case? Did your girlfriend throw it out the window? Did your dog piss on it? And most importantly - What kind of case was it?

I have a Silver Fox 4x8 + Jump Handle case that I absolutely loved for the capacity; however the canvas sleeves that keep the cues separated consistently burn the finish off the buttcaps of cues as the go in/out. On at least one cue, the lacquer was burned through and the phenolic!

Still a fave case of mine, save for the above issue and that the shoulder strap buckle digs right into my shoulder blade :yikes:

oh, and I have nowhere to grab the case from the top so I can drag it. And, oh yeah, from dragging it, I have worn through the faux leather on the bottom.

Ok, maybe it is not that great a case...:sorry:
 
Leather

If it's a tube case then it's one of the Nature Series.

We did this color combination and pockets in tube cases, semi hard cases and in the soft cases.

I carried and Instroke soft case, 3x6 for a few years. Loved it. They never were very popular though because people couldn't understand why the price was close to that of the hard tube cases.

It's the soft version
The leather feels like some type of glove leather.
Very high quality
 
I like to put shafts tip up to keep chalk out of the case tubes and the butts pin up. The second time I used a GTF Prestige case I dented 2 shafts already in the case while trying to put the last 2 shafts in the case while there was already 2 shafts and 2 butts inside. I removed the butts and got the shafts in OK, but everything was very tight. I'll stick to tube cases where the space is guaranteed.

On another note, my 4x8 Barton/Sterling holds everything without a problem, but does spit off the zipper pulls on occasion.

Finally, an unknown soft case once failed to stay on top of my car as I drove 4 miles home in a snowstorm. It took my first 2 piece cue with it...

Zipper pulls. I just bought a 3 X 6 Barton/Sterling that matured into the same 4 X 8 Barton/Sterling you describe while it was in transit. Should I be considered about the zipper pull or is this an isolated occurence?

And again - let me recommend DUCT TAPE. If you had used it, the soft case would have been stayed on top of your car in the 4 miles home in the snow, it would have stayed on top of your car for 400 miles if you needed it to.
 
yes I have, I got a million little micro scratches in the finish on one cue I carried in a case for a few months. I had the cue maker buff the cue out and it sparkles now, the new case its in hasnt been a issue. I am not going to elaborate on this. but to answere again YES!!!!

Without more description, can this count JB as an incident?
 
I have a Silver Fox 4x8 + Jump Handle case that I absolutely loved for the capacity; however the canvas sleeves that keep the cues separated consistently burn the finish off the buttcaps of cues as the go in/out. On at least one cue, the lacquer was burned through and the phenolic!

Still a fave case of mine, save for the above issue and that the shoulder strap buckle digs right into my shoulder blade :yikes:

oh, and I have nowhere to grab the case from the top so I can drag it. And, oh yeah, from dragging it, I have worn through the faux leather on the bottom.

Ok, maybe it is not that great a case...:sorry:


This is easy to resolve. If you found something else to do in life besides play pool then you wouldn't be taking your cues out of your case so often. I'll give you a lil secret----t h e r e i s n o m o n e y i n p o o l. Find something else to do with the majority of your time.

Also, call your friend Fatboy - he can give you tips on working out to build up your shoulders so you aren't left in pain from a strap buckle from a pool case.

Finally, the solution to your worn out bottom of the case is easy - I would think that someone would hopefully pay attention - DUCT TAPE.
 
It's the soft version
The leather feels like some type of glove leather.
Very high quality

Natuzzi Leather. I just bought two couches from China made of Natuzzi leather. Feels soft as a baby's bottom but is a nice thick, tough material built to last. Took 3 months to make - much longer than one of JB Chinese made detailed cases and must more useful in life too. I can lay on them and watch pool on TV instead of worrying if my cues are safe while I go out and play pool.
 
Zipper pulls. I just bought a 3 X 6 Barton/Sterling that matured into the same 4 X 8 Barton/Sterling you describe while it was in transit. Should I be considered about the zipper pull or is this an isolated occurence?

I pretty sure that issue has been fixed. I know it was on the forum earlier and JB/Sterling was aware of it. I think the recommended repair was a spot of epoxy. If I wasn't too lazy to bother with it I could have told you whether it works.

And again - let me recommend DUCT TAPE. If you had used it, the soft case would have been stayed on top of your car in the 4 miles home in the snow, it would have stayed on top of your car for 400 miles if you needed it to.


I would be remiss if I didn't point out that duct tape fails dramatically at temperatures below 32 degrees. I discovered this while driving from St. Paul to Chicago one winter with the rear window covered with duct tape and plastic. About 30 miles out of St. Paul there was a small flapping noise from the back. About a mile later, the noise was gone along with my makeshift rear window. That was the coldest car ride I've ever had.
 
You know Watchez - you are actually onto something with the duct tape.

Hunter on here is the only person I know who has one of my very early cases.

Those cases were all duct taped from top to bottom. They were EVA foam over tubes then wrapped with nearly a roll of duct tape.

The second show I took them to I bunjeed them to an A-frame with an iron bar across the top. Then I spent the weekend whacking them with a baseball bat - pulling them down to the floor and letting them fly up and hit the bar - then pulling the cues out with two fingers - and they had no lid either -

I met a man two years ago who made his own case out of duct tape and newspaper. It was damn cool. He wanted $400 though and while I felt it was worth it from an artistic standpoint, the DIY side of me wouldn't let me pay $400 for a case made of duct tape and newspaper. Interestingly enough, on the way back I found duct tape wallets in an airport store. They were $17 and I couldn't bring myself to buy one either.

Duct tape has a lot of great uses. Maybe it's time to make that duct tape case again. That was the most fun I ever had at a show involving cases.
 
Case Damage to Cues

I have an interesting observation on cases. I havent read all the above posts but try this on for size.

When I got back into pool I bought an old Player Cue from a guy and I eventually bought better cues but decided that the player would stay forever in my car, in the trunk, in a case. Poor Player!!

Well I had a case that was 3x6 , square and fake leather and I bought a few cues and warped a few shafts in it. It was fiber board drilled out and covered.

Now back to the story of the Player. I store the player in a leather Bentley Case that really has no density to its construction.

It can get sometimes to 140 degress inside the case in the trunk. Yes I have a thermometer in it. So I have surmised that while the shafts I warped were probably not the best ones made and could not have been cured out right to start with. I am convinced that a case with less density and protection if stored in the car definitely impart less heat transfer to the wood. Hence the cheap case with the fiber board construction probably built up a sizeable amount of heat and radiated the said heat longer and that probably doesnt help.

To back that up. My first cue I ever bought was stored in a plastic coated zipper case behind the seat of my truck for years and no problems with it.

No I dont do this to any of my good equipment. Yes I know its wrong just wrong. I live far from where I work and Im not allowed to bring my equipment into where I work due to security so I have to do what I have to do to the poor, poor Player which hasnt bothered to warp one millimeter. Just an observation I thought you guys might want to hear.

336 Robin
 
You know Watchez - you are actually onto something with the duct tape.

I never thought otherwise.

I finally watched your Ustream presentation yesterday. It reminds me of this famous frozen custard stand here in St Louis, Ted Drewes. He is something of a St. Louis icon. His stand is packed all the time and he refuses to franchise even though he gets 5 offers a day. Anyways, the frozen custard you order is turned upside down for your viewing before they hand it to you each and every time. This is not to mean that I think a pool case made out of frozen custard is a good idea.
 
I have an interesting observation on cases. I havent read all the above posts but try this on for size.

When I got back into pool I bought an old Player Cue from a guy and I eventually bought better cues but decided that the player would stay forever in my car, in the trunk, in a case. Poor Player!!

Well I had a case that was 3x6 , square and fake leather and I bought a few cues and warped a few shafts in it. It was fiber board drilled out and covered.

Now back to the story of the Player. I store the player in a leather Bentley Case that really has no density to its construction.

It can get sometimes to 140 degress inside the case in the trunk. Yes I have a thermometer in it. So I have surmised that while the shafts I warped were probably not the best ones made and could not have been cured out right to start with. I am convinced that a case with less density and protection if stored in the car definitely impart less heat transfer to the wood. Hence the cheap case with the fiber board construction probably built up a sizeable amount of heat and radiated the said heat longer and that probably doesnt help.

To back that up. My first cue I ever bought was stored in a plastic coated zipper case behind the seat of my truck for years and no problems with it.

No I dont do this to any of my good equipment. Yes I know its wrong just wrong. I live far from where I work and Im not allowed to bring my equipment into where I work due to security so I have to do what I have to do to the poor, poor Player which hasnt bothered to warp one millimeter. Just an observation I thought you guys might want to hear.

336 Robin

336 Robin -

You didn't take the time to read the entire thread but you thought that your ideas were so much more important and worthwhile that you need to use a Size 4 bold font. Just an observation.

Have you ever had a body in the trunk of your car? The thermometer inside makes me wonder as well.

And you failed to tell us what case you use for your good equipment.

JB - please fire up the blow torch and let us know which material heat is transferred thru the easiest. Fiber board is almost as great of an invention as duct tape, IMO.
 
I have an interesting observation on cases. I havent read all the above posts but try this on for size.

If you had read the thread before posting you would've come across this little gem.

How can you comment if you haven't read the thread?

Kinda like voting without knowing what the candidate is about.

At least you admitted you didn't read the thread. People look really silly when they don't preface their post with that information and then go on to post something that has either been covered/answered or the topic has taken a completely different turn during the thread.
 
If you had read the thread before posting you would've come across this little gem.



At least you admitted you didn't read the thread. People look really silly when they don't preface their post with that information and then go on to post something that has either been covered/answered or the topic has taken a completely different turn during the thread.

they posted about damage to a cue because of a case or a few cases or different cues in different cases or cues in cars or cues in trucks or cues in cases in cars or cues in cases in trucks. IMO think its relevant to the thread.

Now, your post on the other hand has nothing to do w/ the topic at all. So stay on track before this thread gets hijacked!!!
 

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