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He finally admitted that he did in another thread, to counter somebody who mentioned his lack of understanding as it related to another topic.

He never admitted it here.

When people finally come to understand that they were wrong about something, why is it so hard for them to just man up and say so?

How refreshing would that be?
True. When I first heard this scenario, I was very convinced it was 50/50 also. I didn't argue it like he did, but I actually sat down and tried it with a buddy for a while. It didn't take me long to realize I was mistaken. I've explained this problem to many friends over the years, and there will always be people who will die on the 50/50 hill.
 
Yes, I was wrong.


I am not sure if this post is cause for permanent banning or a lifetime gold membership for free. I am pretty sure you are the first ever to acknowledge being wrong on AZB!

One of the funnier things that sometimes happens is somebody realizing they are wrong and keeps right on arguing, swapping sides without ever admitting they have done this. I had drifted away from a forum when a friend made me aware there was a thread going with the title, "HU IS WRONG!" 155 replies at the moment all agreeing with the thread starter. What made it funny was that the OP had shifted to my position in the very first post. All these people were piling on that "Hu was wrong" while now agreeing with my position!

Hu
 
This is me after enjoying this thread, my hair hurts. I've never taken Alprazolam but I am willing.
Solids of Revolution suddenly seems easier.
I grew up on goat milk, had a pet goat named Mitch. My mother named him after Mitch Miller.

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True. When I first heard this scenario, I was very convinced it was 50/50 also. I didn't argue it like he did, but I actually sat down and tried it with a buddy for a while. It didn't take me long to realize I was mistaken. I've explained this problem to many friends over the years, and there will always be people who will die on the 50/50 hill.
The 50/50 hill of life is the worst place to die period.

More is lost to indecision than the wrong decision

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Fatboy😃😃
 
True. When I first heard this scenario, I was very convinced it was 50/50 also. I didn't argue it like he did, but I actually sat down and tried it with a buddy for a while. It didn't take me long to realize I was mistaken. I've explained this problem to many friends over the years, and there will always be people who will die on the 50/50 hill.
Yes, instead of typing, just sit down and do it. My wife is a very intelligent person, book smart, masters degree, etc. She is also very stubborn. I took every dollar she had, playing the two duces and an ace game. She had to then spend 15 minutes on the net, before yielding🤣she was not happy
 
Yes, instead of typing, just sit down and do it. My wife is a very intelligent person, book smart, masters degree, etc. She is also very stubborn. I took every dollar she had, playing the two duces and an ace game. She had to then spend 15 minutes on the net, before yielding🤣she was not happy

An integral part of intelligence is allowing the possibility that you don't understand everything.
 
You lost me on this logic - you are overthinking this.
Because the 'logic' is completely illogical. You can't make a 2/3rds probability into a 50-50 probability by assuming it is 50-50. Nor is it logical when you have a 2/3rds chance of winning to try to turn that into a 50-50 chance of winning.
 
For those interested in reading about how a gambler dispute lead to the birth of mathematical probability , check out The Unfinished Game by Keith Devlin.

What is interesting is to see how, starting in 1654, two math geniuses, Blaise Pascal and Pierre de Fermat, wrestle with ideas that we take for granted as “obvious” today … They were essentially the inventors of the ideas that make it obvious.

That’s the Age of Enlightenment for you.
 
True. When I first heard this scenario, I was very convinced it was 50/50 also. I didn't argue it like he did, but I actually sat down and tried it with a buddy for a while. It didn't take me long to realize I was mistaken. I've explained this problem to many friends over the years, and there will always be people who will die on the 50/50 hill.
People get misled because they mistakenly believe that if there are 2 possibilities the odds for each are 50-50. Which is false.

Another illustration. Say you have 19 in blackjack. If you take a card there are 2 possibilities, you bust or you don't. But the odds that you bust are considerably higher than 50%.
 
True. When I first heard this scenario, I was very convinced it was 50/50 also. I didn't argue it like he did, but I actually sat down and tried it with a buddy for a while. It didn't take me long to realize I was mistaken. I've explained this problem to many friends over the years, and there will always be people who will die on the 50/50 hill.
Like you and so many others, I thought the answer Vos Savant proposed was wrong and counterintuitive....but then I looked at her explanation and it is obvious. People holding doctorates in Statistics were also irate and dismissive of Vos Savant's answer at the time, and wrote scathing letters to her, only to have to eat crow later when the proof was provided. I explained this to a Ph.D. from Harvard who just couldn't fathom my reasoning (and I gave a clear explanation like has been done in this thread). Some people refuse to accept new information that may change their preconceived position, and this is a problem in society now that goes much deeper than this Monty Hall problem, unfortunately.
 
I do find the scenario almost a metaphor for life in general.

Most people are generally not good at risk assessment and such. IMO, it should be taught starting in middle or high school.

And, they can through even incorrect assessment, accidentally walk their way into a break even scenario. If you ignore the information Monty presented you and truly pick stay or swap randomly (say with a coin toss) you actually turn it into a 50/50 proposition.

Which is interesting. Because you raise your odds from 33% of always staying. But you screwed yourself out of 66% for a 50%.


Which is basically how most people make it through life. Not making optimal decisions but accidentally not completely screwing themselves.


This has always been one of my favorite scenarios for life in general.
 
People get misled because they mistakenly believe that if there are 2 possibilities the odds for each are 50-50. Which is false.

Another illustration. Say you have 19 in blackjack. If you take a card there are 2 possibilities, you bust or you don't. But the odds that you bust are considerably higher than 50%.
That’s a dependent trails process. Card removal changes what’s left in the deck from which you draw from. 16 cards remaining.

What if all 4 deuces are left and all 4 aces. And the other 8 cards are something else?

You have a 50/50 shot at hitting a non bust card.

You don’t have a 50/50 chance of winning, just not busting. You might tie with 21 or lose with 20 50% of the time.

I don’t have the math skills required to calculate what % of the time you win/push or lose to a dealers 3 card 21.

My real point is things get complex very fast with removal, yet it seems simple at first glance.

This type of deception is what makes many gambling games different than they appear.

That all,

Good luck,

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Fatboy 😃💥🎰
 
This is also extremely interesting.

Because people always like to give others shit for not “sticking to their beliefs.”

When a major sign of intelligence is changing your opinions or beliefs when more information is acquired.
I’m ready to learn.

I got no problem being wrong. Weak people are scared to be wrong. A strong minded person doesn’t mind at all. It’s a learning opportunity.

I just can’t spell, that’s not fixable :(

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Fatboy<——-likes to learn, teach me
 
Yes, instead of typing, just sit down and do it. My wife is a very intelligent person, book smart, masters degree, etc. She is also very stubborn. I took every dollar she had, playing the two duces and an ace game. She had to then spend 15 minutes on the net, before yielding🤣she was not happy
The extreme example to prove this is the one I offered early on in this thread, having 100 doors instead of 3 doors, and Monty, with his knowledge of which door contains the car, opens 98 other doors with the goat behind all of them. leaving only your door and one other door.

Do you still think you have a 50-50 chance at this point? You actually have a 1% chance of winning the car if you don’t switch and a 99% chance of winning the car if you do switch. Anyone that can’t understand this is just plain stubborn, ignorant or both.
 
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the monty hall wikis “see also” led me to this, maybe we can get another 20 pages out of it:

Imagine you are given two identical envelopes, each containing money. One contains twice as much as the other. You may pick one envelope and keep the money it contains. Having chosen an envelope at will, but before inspecting it, you are given the chance to switch envelopes. Should you switch?
 
Someone mentioned the Monty Hall problem is similar to the Deal or no Deal contestant who had two cases one with the dollar and one with 1 million. He was offered $416,000 he said no deal and did not change his case. He won one dollar. I did some research and found the answer of whether he should have switched or not. I won’t spoil it in this post but what say you?
 
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