ILOVEPOOL - Negative, negative, negative

[manwon]

I checked the cue, and it was not warped! Therefore there will be NO refund. People can think what they want, or say what they want. I know that when I shipped the cue out, it was straight. Therefore the deal was complete in my eyes. If someone wants to look negative for this, then so be it. I have a reputable reputation, and I feel this shouldn't harm it. I've sold 3 sledgehammers on here with no problem! So those of you who think this is bad, please don't buy from me in the future. Those of you who see where I'm coming from feel free to buy from an honest seller.

So first you say that you purchased the cue on eBay, however, decided to sell it because you are no longer going to be able to play pool. Now, you say ( I have a reputable reputation, and I feel this shouldn't harm it. I've sold 3 sledgehammers on here with no problem!) that you sold a number of the Sledgehammers on here with no problem. Which to me saids that you are buying and selling cues for profit, which is ok. However, it is not the same as selling something that you can not use anymore, unless you have different colored Sledgehammers for different days of the week.

If I were you I would quit while you are a head, because your story is starting to come apart at the seams!!!!! You are wrong about one thing though, this will screw-up your reputation on this site, and that you can be certain of!!!!!

 

[ilovepool]

My storty is straght. I have sold these cues over the past year. My story is the same, and not going to change!

 

[manwon]

My storty is straght. I have sold these cues over the past year. My story is the same, and not going to change!

It already has changed, in the begining you said( I just bought this cue on Ebay form 225 brand new. Left feedback for that individaul because the cue was new! I then decide to sell the cue, because I was getting out of pool. I get 275 shipped for the cue. Ship it out, and within 3 days get positive )

Now you are saying that your real motivation is to buy and sell cues at a profit. This makes you a dealer, now you can continue to say what you want, however, at least get your story straight it will look better.

 

[Matt_24]

I don't expect a refund. I gave him the option of doing so and he decided not to. I just don't like it implied that I'm lieing.

I've bought a Southwest, 2 Klein cues, one Jerry R cue, and three cases in the last month. Why would I suddenly decide to make a false accusation about a $275 cue? I have no reason to lie. I would have even accepted a partial refund offer, etc.....to help cover the cost of a new shaft.

I don't like internet wars and I'm sure Ilovepool is really a nice guy -- but in this particular instance I just thought he made a bad decision and admittedly I was angry, so I felt strongly enough to share it with the forum.

Again, I admit I jumped the gun by not rolling the cue and fully checking it before leaving him feedback. That is 110% my fault.....BUT.....I just know what "I" would do - and "I" would have done whatever the buyer wanted.

Just seems like good business to me.

 

[gutshot]

The cue rolled straight when I saw it. Let me expand on that. I didn't get the micrometers out or put it on a lathe and spin it. Enough said. Buy any brand new cue and hit a few balls with it. Most, if not all, with have a slight roll off. It might be minute, but it's probably there. For idiots to say a shaft must be dead straight or they don't want it are absolute morons and no nothing about the characteristics of wood. I had the cue in my hands and looked it over. It was in new like condition. I collect and play with cues all the time and really look closely at the workmanship of cues. Also, I was not interested in buying this cue b/c I already have one I like. I don't like sledgehammers, period!

And to expand on your other post, Ilovepool does not buy cues to resell them for profit. If you know him, he likes to change his mind on what is the best cue for him just like most pool players.

Kelly your statements are very straight farword, you say that the cue was perfect in every way, and that you rolled it and it was perfectly straight, (When I saw the cue at the Derby the first weekend of January (the 4th to be exact), it was in like new condition. I say like new, because he had used it a couple times. I will also say, that it rolled straight, as straight as a new sledgehammer can roll. I will also add that the quality of a brand new sledgehammer of this era is not made with the best of quality and workmanship in mind. In my opinion, they are second rate made cues in every regard, from quality of materials to workmanship. I used to own own, so I should know.)

My question is why did you so completely check out this cue? Did you plan on buying it yourself?

thanks

 

[ilovepool]

Tha'ts your assumption. I got to the derby and lose 3k, decided to get out of pool. I don't have to answer to anyone as to why I sell the cue. The story hasn't changed, and you can assume all day long. The buyer isn't always right. If you don't buying from someone, you don't have to! That's your choice. Everyone has their opinion on what "they" would do, or what "they" think is right. "I" think what I'm doing is right, and therefore why no refund will be given. People can sit here and bash me all they want. It's either you agree or don't, that simple.

 

[nthamix]

3 strikes and your out...

My storty is straght. I have sold these cues over the past year. My story is the same, and not going to change!

I don't know, that does not sound like good business to me.




B.

 

[Matt_24]

and when I say warped...I don't mean slight wobble. I mean "warped". If I had inspected it properly initially I could have eyed it and saw the warp. I took it for granted that I've bought 4 cues in the last month that were all perfect and just threw it in my case.

If it were slight wobble, you would have never heard anything from me because I know that no cues are "flawless". It's wood.

Anyhow, it's "usable" for jumping purposes until I get the new shaft (I like breaking with my playing cue anyhow). And I don't want to ruin ILOVEPOOL's reputation. I would be happy with an apology from him regarding his implication that the cue warped in a week of being in my hands, and that I'm trying to pull the wool over his eye's. Ok, maybe it wasn't all that - but that is how it came across. We all know how that goes. Now, I'm really done with this thread. Both sides have been heard, and it is, what it is.

 

[ilovepool]

Wow we have agreed on something.....done as well.

 

[poolhustler]

Tha'ts your assumption. I got to the derby and lose 3k, decided to get out of pool. I don't have to answer to anyone as to why I sell the cue. The story hasn't changed, and you can assume all day long. The buyer isn't always right. If you don't buying from someone, you don't have to! That's your choice. Everyone has their opinion on what "they" would do, or what "they" think is right. "I" think what I'm doing is right, and therefore why no refund will be given. People can sit here and bash me all they want. It's either you agree or don't, that simple.

I definately won't buy from someone with an attitude such as yours. SO, your rep is already tarnished as far as I am concerned.

Russ....

 

[JimL]

Everyone has their opinion on what "they" would do, or what "they" think is right. "I" think what I'm doing is right, and therefore why no refund will be given. People can sit here and bash me all they want. It's either you agree or don't, that simple.[/QUOTE]


Wow, another one added to the "Don't deal with list"

That list is getting longer every week.

Jim

 

[manwon]

The cue rolled straight when I saw it. Let me expand on that. I didn't get the micrometers out or put it on a lathe and spin it. Enough said. Buy any brand new cue and hit a few balls with it. Most, if not all, with have a slight roll off. It might be minute, but it's probably there. For idiots to say a shaft must be dead straight or they don't want it are absolute morons and no nothing about the characteristics of wood. I had the cue in my hands and looked it over. It was in new like condition. I collect and play with cues all the time and really look closely at the workmanship of cues. Also, I was not interested in buying this cue b/c I already have one I like. I don't like sledgehammers, period!

And to expand on your other post, Ilovepool does not buy cues to resell them for profit. If you know him, he likes to change his mind on what is the best cue for him just like most pool players.

Thanks for the reply, I did not think you rolled the cue, by your own statement you know cues and just looked it over.

Also, buy and re-sell four Sledgehammers in a single year, that is buying and selling, not changing your mind!!!!!

Have a great night!!

 

[manwon]

Everyone has their opinion on what "they" would do, or what "they" think is right. "I" think what I'm doing is right, and therefore why no refund will be given. People can sit here and bash me all they want. It's either you agree or don't, that simple.

Wow, another one added to the "Don't deal with list"

That list is getting longer every week.

Jim[/QUOTE]
I totally agree Jim, I also think that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark!!!!

 

[cutter]

Ilovepool

I've had several dealings with Matt. Always a straight up guy. Can't see why anyone would have any doubts about what he would say. Time people started standing behind things they sell or say.

 

[Buckeyejim]

Ilovepool

I definately won't buy from someone with an attitude such as yours. SO, your rep is already tarnished as far as I am concerned.

Russ....

Also..I'm quite oldschool,but I think the way a package is handled(wrapped)is a good indicator of a persons real integrity- anyone else feel this way?Jim

 

[1pRoscoe]

Just my take...

You sold it, it was defective, cover the cost. Ilovepool is being defensive about it because he lost $3K and cannot afford to refund the $275 to cover it and feels that arguing his point will make him right....

It's not working. If you cannot afford to cover the cost, find someone to help you make it right.

 

[alpine9430]

It already has changed, in the begining you said( I just bought this cue on Ebay form 225 brand new. Left feedback for that individaul because the cue was new! I then decide to sell the cue, because I was getting out of pool. I get 275 shipped for the cue. Ship it out, and within 3 days get positive )

Now you are saying that your real motivation is to buy and sell cues at a profit. This makes you a dealer, now you can continue to say what you want, however, at least get your story straight it will look better.

Good pickup on the reply - dealing the cues for a markup after buying them on e-bay.

Just my take...

You sold it, it was defective, cover the cost. Ilovepool is being defensive about it because he lost $3K and cannot afford to refund the $275 to cover it and feels that arguing his point will make him right....

It's not working. If you cannot afford to cover the cost, find someone to help you make it right.

Have to agree - the deal did not work out so it would be in the best interest to cover the cost of replacing the shaft for Matt.

Is it a Sledgehammer II (the McDermott version)? If so it has a lifetime warranty. I would contact Gullyassy and seek his help and advice.
Denny

Great Point Denny - if the warranty does exist, neither party would pay for the replacement shaft.

 

[Fast Lenny]

This thread is dead,both parties have said this so lets just let it be,we know both sides of the story and somewhere in the middle there is the truth so the people who have viewed this thread can make a decision whether to deal with either of the parties involved after this at their choice.I havent seen another person bash ilovepool or come forth out of the people who he has sold to and complain so it might just be one of those things that happens,you cant please everyone.I personally sold a cue to another respected member,IMO it was as described,he felt differently,i split the cost of a refinish with him and it was done and over,i think here splitting the cost of the shaft might have helped as long as the original shaft was shipped back to me.

 

[manwon]

This thread is dead,both parties have said this so lets just let it be,we know both sides of the story and somewhere in the middle there is the truth so the people who have viewed this thread can make a decision whether to deal with either of the parties involved after this at their choice.I havent seen another person bash ilovepool or come forth out of the people who he has sold to and complain so it might just be one of those things that happens,you cant please everyone.I personally sold a cue to another respected member,IMO it was as described,he felt differently,i split the cost of a refinish with him and it was done and over,i think here splitting the cost of the shaft might have helped as long as the original shaft was shipped back to me.

I completely agree with what you said here(.I personally sold a cue to another respected member,IMO it was as described,he felt differently,i split the cost of a refinish with him and it was done and over,i think here splitting the cost of the shaft might have helped as long as the original shaft was shipped back to me.)

However, all ilovepool has said throughout the entire thread was I am right he is wrong. I will work out no kind of deal, everything is like I said, and basically the buyer is completely stuck on this purchase. Well, people make mistakes, and good people try to do things that could resolve the situation before it becomes public. The only fact that ilovepool stated that was different than the buyer through this entire thread was that the cue was perfect when he shipped it. Now this is the same individual who stated that he is not buying cues and re-selling cues on this forum, although he has sold four Sledgehammers here in the last year. He also started off saying the only reason that the cue was being sold was because he could not play anymore.

This individual is not being straight up on this situation, he stories have changed as outlined throughout the thread. I for one would never do any business with this gentleman in the future, sales, services, or purchases.
I could careless about the situation that brought this openly to the forum, however, I have seen all I need too throughout these posts.

Oh and by the way, you also said(I havent seen another person bash ilovepool or come forth out of the people who he has sold to and complain)
I completely agree with you, however, by his statements throughout this thread it need to happen, and he completely brought it upon himself, like you said no one is perfect!!!!!!!!

 

[Fast Lenny]

I completely agree with what you said here(.I personally sold a cue to another respected member,IMO it was as described,he felt differently,i split the cost of a refinish with him and it was done and over,i think here splitting the cost of the shaft might have helped as long as the original shaft was shipped back to me.)

However, all ilovepool has said throughout the entire thread was I am right he is wrong. I will work out no kind of deal, everything is like I said, and basically the buyer is completely stuck on this purchase. Well, people make mistakes, and good people try to do things that could resolve the situation before it becomes public. The only fact that ilovepool stated that was different than the buyer through this entire thread was that the cue was perfect when he shipped it. Now this is the same individual who stated that he is not buying cues and re-selling cues on this forum, although he has sold four Sledgehammers here in the last year. He also started off saying the only reason that the cue was being sold was because he could not play anymore.

This individual is not being straight up on this situation, he stories have changed as outlined throughout the thread. I for one would never do any business with this gentleman in the future, sales, services, or purchases.
I could careless about the situation that brought this openly to the forum, however, I have seen all I need too throughout these posts.

Oh and by the way, you also said(I havent seen another person bash ilovepool or come forth out of the people who he has sold to and complain)
I completely agree with you, however, by his statements throughout this thread it need to happen, and he completely brought it upon himself, like you said no one is perfect!!!!!!!!

Well Manwon i dont think we will be dealing with ilovepool because he says he is done with pool.I think that on here its different then buying from a company,we are tighter knit,i think people are different though,i have bought and sold things that i or someone else described and sometimes depending on your opinion on excellent or good it wasnt as described.I like the idea also of asking questions when your buying also,i mean sometimes a cue is listed and the listing isnt describe thoroughly so i ask questions about what is important to me.If its listed as excellent i dont expect dings,dents and severe scratches,if its in good shape i expect a few battle scars,light dings and some scratching from being played.Perhaps when ilovepool bought the sledgehammer it was straight,then warped towards the end of his possession or it was possible it did change after being shipped to Matt,we will never know truly.I think splitting the cost of another shaft was the best play here plus getting back the old shaft,but we arent them so now they both have a ! above their names IMO,not just ilovepool.If you buy something, check it out right away,when i get a cue one of the first things i do is check for straightness,this is where Matt made a mistake,i might not take a cue back after a week had passed but if it was the day it arrived i would as long as it was misrepresented.I think both are good guys,neither a crook,something happened to the cue along the way,wood is a funny thing,it can be straight forward but it laughs and frowns sometimes too.