I'm Sick of eBay Sellers Who...

ridewiththewind

ridewiththewind

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END THEIR FREAKIN' AUCTIONS EARLY!!!!:mad:

I think it is total BS when a seller does this. It used to be, that once an item was listed for auction, it could not be ended early so easily. And on this particular auction I was watching, this seller didn't even qualify it with "This case is being sold locally, so the auction may be ended at anytime." BS. Here's a clue....use the BIN feature!!! Cheese and rice, this just pisses me off!

I know there are several sellers here who regularly do this on eBay as a practice, and it is an abuse of eBay, IMHO! It is stated clearly that once a bid is entered, you have entered into a contract between buyer and seller. These are the same sellers who come on here and b*tch when a bidder goes deadbeat on them...well, you reap what you sow.

Personally, I feel these sellers should be boycotted, but then again, that's just MPO.

Lisa
 
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ridewiththewind said:
END THEIR FREAKIN' AUCTIONS EARLY!!!!:mad:

I think it is total BS when a seller does this. It used to be, that once an item was listed for auction, it could not be ended early so easily. And on this particular auction I was watching, this seller didn't even qualify it with "This case is being sold locally, so the auction may be ended at anytime." BS. Here's a clue....use the BIN feature!!! Cheese and rice, this just pisses me off!

I know there are several sellers here who regularly do this on eBay as a practice, and it is an abuse of eBay, IMHO! It is stated clearly that once a bid is entered, you have entered into a contract between buyer and seller. These are the same sellers who come on here and b*tch when a bidder goes deadbeat on them...well, you reap what you sow.

Personally, I feel these sellers should be boycotted, but then again, that's just MPO.

Lisa
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well, that happens a lot, the best way to cope with this kind of situation is that never place the bid on such items, otherwise it just waste your time, I've seen hundred of descriptions like " this cue is also for sale at local and I reserve the right to end the auction early " since I can do nothing with it I choose not to place my bid on such items, once these sellers find no bidders, things will change I think.. ;)
 
ridewiththewind said:
END THEIR FREAKIN' AUCTIONS EARLY!!!!:mad:

I think it is total BS when a seller does this. It used to be, that once an item was listed for auction, it could not be ended early so easily. And on this particular auction I was watching, this seller didn't even qualify it with "This case is being sold locally, so the auction may be ended at anytime." BS. Here's a clue....use the BIN feature!!! Cheese and rice, this just pisses me off!

I know there are several sellers here who regularly do this on eBay as a practice, and it is an abuse of eBay, IMHO! It is stated clearly that once a bid is entered, you have entered into a contract between buyer and seller. These are the same sellers who come on here and b*tch when a bidder goes deadbeat on them...well, you reap what you sow.

Personally, I feel these sellers should be boycotted, but then again, that's just MPO.

Lisa
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Lisa, I fully agree with you,,,but I reserve the right to amend and revise my comments......;) :D
 
JoeyInCali said:
Kinda funny when you can do that to an AUCTION?
Hello, auction means selling to the highest bidder.
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Exactly! Thanks Joey!! Once upon a time, you used to have to request eBay to end an auction early, and submit a valid reason as to why. The way it's set up now, especially with respect to the billiards category, it's more like cheap advertising for some of these sellers. What I don't get is that the fee is pretty nominal for a reserve or BIN listing...but they don't want to pay it...they just want to continue to abuse, and abuse, and abuse.

I think I am going to start tracking this behavior, and the sellers, and make a list...perhaps when I am done, I will post it here. Think I'll call it it the "Do Not Even Bother to Bid" list. If anyone has the name of an ebay seller that they would like to add to the list, please feel free to PM me.

Lisa
 
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Local sales?

If I am auctioning a cue and someone stops by and wants it it will go. Should I hold it for sale when I can get my price and only pay listing fees? Especially when the sale has nothing to do with ebay? When you get a offer from someone you know personally or a member here it just overshadows the prospect of being another Ebay victim. I might make less if anything but the secure trade or swap or sale is just that secure!
Nick:)
 
nick serdula said:
If I am auctioning a cue and someone stops by and wants it it will go. Should I hold it for sale when I can get my price and only pay listing fees? Especially when the sale has nothing to do with ebay? When you get a offer from someone you know personally or a member here it just overshadows the prospect of being another Ebay victim. I might make less if anything but the secure trade or swap or sale is just that secure!
Nick:)
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Nick, when I see "Cue/case is for sale locally, so auction may be ended at any time." in the description, I move on. It's one thing to have to fight it out with other bidders for an item, but when you're fighting it out with other bidders AND local/off-auction buyers...well, I'm outta there! But when the listing isn't even qualified with that...well, it's just plain BS, and a violation of eBay policy.

I could perhaps understand it if an auction has received no bids...but once a bid is placed, the bidder is contracturally bound to follow through with the purchase (should they be the highest bidder), as is the seller. This is eBay's rules, not mine.

In the past, I have taken a beating on a couple of items I could have sold locally for more...but because I had listed them to eBay first, I felt honor-bound to follow through with the auctions, especially since bids had been placed. Now, I let people know that I have items for sale locally long before they would ever go to eBay...haven't had to use eBay for quite a while now.:D

I'm done with eBay...it's not even fun anymore. It used to be, when all the auctions were straight-up auctions, and you could even get a bidding war going...but I am afraid those days are long gone. And eBay doesn't even enforce their own policies anymore...what's the point?!

Lisa
 
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You mean you're not even going to bid on those " private" auctions by a seller who has "private" feedbacks? :)
 
Just my opinion:

I think this arguement can go both ways, there are lot of sellers that uses this marketing technique to drive attention to an item in hope that someone will bid up a good price that will meet their reserve with out paying $20.00 for a reserve auction fee (too expensive and a waste of money IMO).

Unless the lister specifically state that it's a No Reserve auction and that they will let it ride to the highest bidder than this is a true No Reserve Listing. Then I can see the justification for the bidder been mad.

If however, the lister let the bidder know that they will end the auction early with "locally sales listing can end earlier" but honestly I would think that people bidding on these item would understand that the person listing the item could and would end their listing. Ebay has the 12 hours rules in place, if the list is happy with how his/her auction is progressing than he could let it ride and if it's not I think he could have the option to end his listing.

If an item starting at 0.01, with a buy it now price for $2000.00 and the lister did not state that it's a no reserve auction. I would think he has the option to end his auction early if the bid is only $500.00 or if an offer has been made to satisfaction. Forget ebay policy, they know that this happens all the time that why they have policy in place. Yes, they say you can not end the auction if you don't like the bid value on your auction but com'n seriously...anyone can say they price it wrong and give any other reasons to ebay. I know a lot of seller that list in this way in hope that they will generate enough interested for the cue and be able to make a deal with someone who is truly interested in the cue.

But in anycase, If the person bidding really wanted the cue? why don't they email the lister and pay him the price that he/she want for the cue or better yet use the Buy it now price?

If bidders expect to win an auction with their low bid and get pissed when they don't steal a cue, well I don't think they deserve any sympathy!!!
I hear alot of comments saying why don't the seller just pay the fee for the reserve price, etc. It's the same reason why these bidders want to steal a cue for cheap (Save money)!!!

Listing the cue with a low amount and long listing time in hope that the cue get bid up to your reserve price is becoming an ineffective technique that I don't think sellers will be using as much anymore. As a bidder, I usually don't bid for an item unless it's within the 12 hour limit, this way I know for sure that the item is a real NR listing. Even then, you have shill bidding going on. Ebay is becoming less fun and less profitable but it's still a great marketing tool for now.

Duc.
 
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I know a lot of seller that list in this way in hope that they will generate enough interested for the cue and be able to make a deal with someone who is truly interested in the cue.
Great, so they are wasting the time of bidders. Worse, they are using them.

But in anycase, If the person bidding really wanted the cue? why don't they email the lister and pay him the price that he/she want for the cue or better yet use the Buy it now price?

Because they are hoping to WIN the cue legitimately with the bid they submitted?
If bidders expect to win an auction with their low bid and get pissed when they don't steal a cue, well I don't think they deserve any sympathy!!!

If it meets the minimum and nobody has outbidded the bidder, shouldn't he/she expect to WIN that cue?
Ebay is an on-line AUCTION service. It shouldn't be that complicated.
I've placed multiple items on Ebay and they all met my minimum b/c I am realist.
 
MATTY said:
well, that happens a lot, the best way to cope with this kind of situation is that never place the bid on such items, otherwise it just waste your time, I've seen hundred of descriptions like " this cue is also for sale at local and I reserve the right to end the auction early " since I can do nothing with it I choose not to place my bid on such items, once these sellers find no bidders, things will change I think.. ;)
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Tap Tap. I understand their position if they sell it early. I understand if they pull it because they are not getting what they want. But I don't agree with them in either case and if I see any of the 'reserve the right to end early etc' I will not bid on the item. If they are worried about reaching an amount, put a reserve price on it. The 'I reserve the right to end early' is to me just another way of saying, if it doesn't look good by a certain time, I'm pulling it. And you see them do that and then relist the item.
 
It used to be that if an item had received no bids, and there was an ERROR in the listing, you could request of eBay to end the listing early, provided there was still more than 12 hours left. Once you hit that 12 hour mark, you were locked in, no matter what.

Once an item received a bid, the listing could not be ended early, for any reason, unless eBay ended it themselves, usually for a listing violation. Doing so could/would have resulted in an account suspension. And they were VERY serious about this.

As far as marketing strategy...it is as I have mentioned previously...a cheap way of advertising. Why should one be allowed to dodge both the frontend (eBay) and backend fees (eBay/PayPal), when most others just suck it up and poney-up the dinero?! I don't care how you sugar-coat it, it is still an abuse of eBay, and eBay policy.

Between these types of listings, fraudulent listings, and the deadbeat bidders, well, you can find better odds in Vegas or Reno.

Lisa
 
Certain sellers use the auction cancellation feature as a form of reserve. Simple cure, ebay makes it impossible to cancel an auction at any time. If the seller has a reserve price in mind, they can pay the fee for the reserve selling feature and be done with it. JMHO :)
 
I have never ended an auction early and I never will so you all can feel free to start bidding anytime. I have had many offers to do so already on the James white cue . It will go to the highest bidder if it meets reserve.
 
Some do not even use the 'item is for sale locally' in their descriptions, and end their auctions early! That cheeses me even more...at least the others are letting you know up front that there is a chance your bid is not going to be good enough.

Then there are the ones that DO let their auctions run the course, and then do not deliver because they didn't get what they wanted for the item. And then they relist it until they get at least close to what they wanted...I can think of a certain BG cue that was relisted about 5 or 6 times in such a manner...I can think of at least two AZers that won that cue, and got doked on the deal.

Lisa
 
lenoxmjs said:
I have never ended an auction early and I never will so you all can feel free to start bidding anytime. I have had many offers to do so already on the James white cue . It will go to the highest bidder if it meets reserve.
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Good for you! This is as it should, and used to be. I hope you get top dollar for your cue, and wish you the best of luck!!:D

Lisa
 
Hi Joey,

"Great, so they are wasting the time of bidders. Worse, they are using them."
Yes I agree, that's why I don't do anymore of the low reserve auctions..it's just a waste of time for both the seller and buyer.

"Because they are hoping to WIN the cue legitimately with the bid they submitted?"

I would agree if ebay was a true auction house but IMO it's not. If they had such a system in place with rigid rules, it would not be as popular.

"If it meets the minimum and nobody has outbidded the bidder, shouldn't he/she expect to WIN that cue?" Ebay is an on-line AUCTION service. It shouldn't be that complicated.
I've placed multiple items on Ebay and they all met my minimum b/c I am realist.


Again, I would agree if the system was design to accommodate a real auction but it not. If I list a true auction and started it at 0.01 with a buy it now for $2000 and I can't change or stop my auction than yes I would agree with your comment.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
If I list a true auction and started it at 0.01 with a buy it now for $2000 and I can't change or stop my auction than yes I would agree with your comment.
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Ahhh, but you can change your listing up until 12 hours before auction end! I have, in the past, listed items using the BIN feature. After monitoring for a few days, and looking for a quick sale, I was able to change the BIN amount, and in doing so, sold the item almost immediately, with a minimal reduction in the BIN price. Sometimes just a few dollars can mean the difference in selling or not selling an item...the trick is to be realistic and understand the true value of what an item might be, as opposed to the intrinsic value... or being just plain greedy.

Lisa
 
Q-master,

I commend your honesty.

I will not buy from you or bid on one of your items until you see the light.
 
ribdoner, you're welcome to do what ever you like. This is my position on the subject and I've not seen an arguement that will change it thus far.
 
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