I'm so damn LAZY

Here’s my take looking back. I should have stayed the fk in school. I sucked in pool then now and in between and will most likely suck next week. Screw pool.

I saw a sign once, "I think we are as confused as ever but I do think we are confused on a much higher level now." I liked it so much that I copied it for my office wall. I think that is how we all end up as pool players. Perfection is ever illusive, but we can be struggling at a much higher level.

Hu
 
Here’s my take looking back. I should have stayed the fk in school. I sucked in pool then now and in between and will most likely suck next week. Screw pool.
Damned dumbass balls!
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my mentor, the late Louie Roybal of Albuquerque, told me a million times, "whitey don't lie", he goes right where you shoot him. Meaning the cue ball is reacting to physics, not your wishes.

I would line up a shot, Lou would say, "where do you want the cue ball to stop", I would point to point A, Lou would put a chalk cube at point B, and say go ahead and shoot it, and I'll be damned Lou was right about 80% of the time. That's what 50 years of experience will do for your game.
 
High school and just past high school some idiot boys thought the best way to show off their pool skills was to crush their date that had seldom if ever played pool. When I was inclined I stepped in.
I remember those days. Taking it easy on them and letting them play slop.
Then there were the girls that said no dumping, or don't let me win thats insulting. Those were the ones that were fun.
 
I remember those days. Taking it easy on them and letting them play slop.
Then there were the girls that said no dumping, or don't let me win thats insulting. Those were the ones that were fun.

I was sandbagging playing everyone my age and most locals so it mostly didn't matter. A few girls hated they couldn't get my best game but it was no fun for me to win all the time. I tried to give the other player enough chances to make things interesting when possible.

Hu
 
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Determining/playing path/position tells you the ghost ball, shot line, cue tip/cue ball contact point, stroke acceleration/speed, release point, etc. Determining/playing path/position puts the shot to rest: only execution remains. You only have to get down to business. No more questions or doubts. Pure focus. This focus includes minor adjustments for contact (translational)/english (rotational) throw, perhaps effective throw at object ball contact due to translational/rotational cue ball speed, transfer of energy from cue ball to object ball from effects such as humidity or filthy balls, etc. Speaking of which, just merely intending to make the object ball in a pocket only suggests poking around trying to find a hole. Which approach would you recommend to someone just taking up the sport on day one, knowing it will be the foundation of their game for life? Or will you just say, "That's it. Just swing your arm back and forth. Yeah. You're getting it. I think you could become a very good pool player."
We all process and think differently. I really like your post.

For me focus doesn't really start until I'm in shot execution mode. While I walk around looking, I think... I weigh possibilities, speed, spin, leave, 2-way shots, zones, correct sides, if I could carom an early 9, etc. I'm seeing an "accidental";) OB into a billiard 2 rail bank into the side pocket.
Those fun "close to wired" trick shots that I might try...
nah better just not get greedy...
Ah screw it the OB is so dead that something good could happen to the ball you used to carom off of...

Once I'm done with the laurel and hardy bit in my own head I make a decision. All of that required no focus, only rote habit and having a good self-BS detector.

That thinking/analyzing stage isn't what I think of as focus. The table analysis stage is letting your mind run wild... kind of like daydreaming. We might as well be playing hopscotch or skipping stones. I think better while not laser focused, To me, focus means clearing your head and getting in that zen state where it's just you and the cloth. Let's levitate that pretty rock across the worsted meadow... Concentrate on the analysis step for sure, but focus? Save that for something special, like the execution stage.

When I first started playing pool at 15, I literally asked myself, "Self, should I focus on making the balls or playing position?
That was pretty smart of me to ask this question at 15. Should have known better. I chose "making the balls."

I'm not saying you are doing so, but don't beat yourself up for decisions you made as a beginner. You weren't necessarily lazy though you might have been. You didn't know what you didn't know. Why would you waste time with figuring stuff out when your shotmaking could take care of whatever you gave it? I know at 15 I thought I was invincible, there wasn't a shot I didn't think I couldn't make! When I found one I missed a few times, I'd practice that until I was at least 75% on it. Stubbornness to not see anything wrong with that (or in my case ignorance).

I think it's kind of a natural progression. I'd wager that many of the pros from today or yesteryear were shotmakers before they were strategists. It's probably better to learn shape and strategy at the beginning. But without a coach or becoming some old timer at the hall's disciple, there's a slim chance a beginner would know this. That info has always held an almost priceless premium in this game. You might help someone out for "cheap sets" an hourly lesson fee, or maybe for free if you were to see promise in a youngster. The shotmaking is of the utmost importance but at some point it becomes trivial and anyone who takes pool serious will probably naturally progress to focusing more on leave and other strategy.
 
These are control issues which I had already pointed out are secondary to pocketing balls. Learning to pocket balls supplies a great deal of natural cue ball which most would retain even while still on pocketing the ball. More advanced cue ball should not be tackled while the student is still in the "pocket fixation" stages.
It's how skills are taught and acquired. Step by step.
"You can't handle the TRUTH!" from a Cruise/Nicholson movie.
So you think that withholding the ultimate secret that explains what pool is all about is best left until a novice is experienced or mature enough, in your better judgement. It is better to cut them off at the knees right from the start so they can hone their perfection of a bad habit? That bad habit being stunting/crippling their eager mind. I clearly explained the overwhelming advantages of learning path/position play right from the start for a pool novice. It encompasses "pocketing balls" whereas "pocketing balls" does not encompass path/position play. Their mind is left with only a mental stub, like a deformed or amputated limb. Knowing what they are doing or have done to transform a pool novice into a fish requires a heart of stone. Step by step.
 
"You can't handle the TRUTH!" from a Cruise/Nicholson movie.
So you think that withholding the ultimate secret that explains what pool is all about is best left until a novice is experienced or mature enough, in your better judgement. It is better to cut them off at the knees right from the start so they can hone their perfection of a bad habit? That bad habit being stunting/crippling their eager mind. I clearly explained the overwhelming advantages of learning path/position play right from the start for a pool novice. It encompasses "pocketing balls" whereas "pocketing balls" does not encompass path/position play. Their mind is left with only a mental stub, like a deformed or amputated limb. Knowing what they are doing or have done to transform a pool novice into a fish requires a heart of stone. Step by step.
You've gone rogue dude.
And what's true about what you claim?
 
Ball pocketing and shape are elements of the same shot if we are to have any success on a pool table. There is no reason to break them apart and prolong the early learning phase. Do both to begin with, have more success and two phases of learning to play are united as one.
Yes.
 
Ball pocketing and shape are elements of the same shot if we are to have any success on a pool table. There is no reason to break them apart and prolong the early learning phase. Do both to begin with, have more success and two phases of learning to play are united as one.


Hu
Isolating this since the OP brought it up. Of course the cue ball does it's thing even as one learns pocketing. The primary focus should be the object ball line. The instructor can create more tuition opportunity by wasting the first year spoiling the student - letting them multitask whatever they can make of it. "It can build the foundation for a lifetime of enjoyment" yada yada...

You've worked in sophisticated tech right? Need I go on?
 
Once I'm done with the laurel and hardy bit in my own head I make a decision. All of that required no focus, only rote habit and having a good self-BS detector.

Concentrate on the analysis step for sure, but focus? Save that for something special, like the execution stage.
I advise to do exactly that: "Determining/playing path/position puts the shot to rest: only execution remains. You only have to get down to business. No more questions or doubts. Pure focus."
 
Cory Duel used to play in a room in Naples, Fl & we played 8 ball a few times. His cue ball control was amazing. Main reason he was 1 of the best players in the world. Also, I grew up in Reading & Jimmy Matz & I were good friends. He was the best shot, best position player & safe player I ever played. Add in that he was fearless made him hard to beat. I was a good player (64 high run) & Jimmy would spot me 75 in a 100 pointer with me breaking. I never won a game. Often I would not get shot. One time he scratched & I ran 20. Score me 95 Matz -1. Final score me 95 Matz 100. Jimmy Caras had an exhibition at Kutztown College & said I hear there is someone here who thinks he can beat me Final score Matz 125 Caras 71. Caras didn't like it!!
 
Cory Duel used to play in a room in Naples, Fl & we played 8 ball a few times. His cue ball control was amazing. Main reason he was 1 of the best players in the world. Also, I grew up in Reading & Jimmy Matz & I were good friends. He was the best shot, best position player & safe player I ever played. Add in that he was fearless made him hard to beat. I was a good player (64 high run) & Jimmy would spot me 75 in a 100 pointer with me breaking. I never won a game. Often I would not get shot. One time he scratched & I ran 20. Score me 95 Matz -1. Final score me 95 Matz 100. Jimmy Caras had an exhibition at Kutztown College & said I hear there is someone here who thinks he can beat me Final score Matz 125 Caras 71. Caras didn't like it!!
So aim first or shape first? Technically either can be second to the other and intellectually it's not that hard to grasp the concept of both as a single entity.
Learning to do both as a single entity is another thing entirely. Straight pool is a good example. The better you get, the more you try to stick with the natural behavior of the balls; often cinching stuff just to stay in an opportune position. Mastery of pool is no office party for sure.
 
I was sandbagging playing everyone my age and most locals so it mostly didn't matter. A few girls hated they couldn't get my best game but it was no fun for me to win all the time. I tried to give the other player enough chances to make things interesting when possible.

Hu
You just reminded me. I have a bad habbit of uncontrolled sandbagging when playing new people, its not on purpose. I think its left over habbit from gambling in the halls when i was younger. happened a couple weeks ago lol and i thought great this guy thinks i suck now. whatever.
 
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