Image of "pool"
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Always with the "image" makeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aye aye aye
Leave pool alone!
Leave us alone!
Leave my poolhall and my bars alone!
Don't try and make pool into something it isn't!
If you want to market it, market it for what it is. People can spot fakes from a mile away. And NOBODY likes a phoney!
"Dressing a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hotdog" - Fats
Aye aye aye
Leave pool alone!
Leave us alone!
Leave my poolhall and my bars alone!
Don't try and make pool into something it isn't!
If you want to market it, market it for what it is. People can spot fakes from a mile away. And NOBODY likes a phoney!
"Dressing a pool player in a tuxedo is like putting whipped cream on a hotdog" - Fats
It seems to me that bowling pays out more in tourneys, and has mainstream corporate sponsorship in spite of having a "Beer Frame" I mean come on how pedestrian is beer. If they really want that sport to be big we need to change that "Regular Guy" image and have a "Champagne Frame".
Then again Miller High Life is the "Champagne of Beer" so .......
McCue Banger McCue
Then again Miller High Life is the "Champagne of Beer" so .......
McCue Banger McCue
AOyster
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BazookaJoe said:
It is not my intention to makeover any image. My intention is to merely clarify the current images we have within each name, "Billiards" "Pool" and possibly adding "Cueing Arts" to it. The image/meaning of "Pool" will not change, nor should it. The image of "Billiards" shouldn't either. Clearly there are different images associated with each. Seems that the times (era) and location (America) have done the job of separating the two.
I have never seen a man in a tuxedo playing "pool" and I am quite sure I won't. That image clearly belongs in the Billiards catagory.
I just think that in these changing times and our desire to all, hopefully, improve and grow the sport, that we accept and acknowledge the highest level of Billiards as an art form and not a bar game. 95% of my students seem to agree and now reflect their own play as such.
We will never see "pool" in the Olympics. Billiards...maybe and the "Cueing Arts" a great possibility...maybe our best chance.
Think of Ping-Pong to Table Tennis..the reason we give different names to things is because of the clearcut difference. I believe beyond any doubt that there is a clearcut difference within a bar "pool" player, the era of Billiards and now with the depth of knowledge available, precision, athleticism, (mental and psychological strength), precision equipment (tables, cues, balls, etc.) that we should reflect all this in a name so that one can instantly describe all this without starting with "pool" and working upwards. Take a photo of a dirty smoky bar pool room and compare that with a WPBA final TV event. When one says pool, which one does the average listener imagine?
Many of us even use the responce to a "bar pool" player that seems to be so "good" on a bar table, that he give it a try on a real professional 9 ft. table with tight pockets, then we will see just how good you are and the difference is usually night and day.
When you see Billiards on TV it clearly isn't just some very good "pool" players. Not even just a different league, it is clearly a different game played with precision and althletic class, except a few we all know. Shouldn't this higher art demand a different true relective name? I think so.
Pool
Billiards
Cueing Arts
No change, just a much needed addition to our great sport!
AOyster said:
I bet I know some "good" "bar pool" players who could give your "cueing arts" butt the 7 on a 9 ft table and you wouldn't like your end of things.
AOyster said:Cueing Arts.. what else?
Actually my company "Academy of the Cueing Arts" is a corporation and I am listed as President.
Oh, I see now! So that is the reason for all of this. You want the term "Cueing Arts" to be more mainstream, due to the name of your...umm...pool school.
It might have been easier to just name the pool school something a little more mainstream than doing this the other way around. But hey, you're the President. Well, ummm...good luck with this.
AOyster
I am a systems integrator and I can tell you first hand that if you do not get a buy-in from the mainstream participants you will surely fail. It does though sound like you're using this as a platform for the betterment of your business rather than the improvement of the image of the word "pool".
I would ask the question to those that are objecting to his remarks:
What would your opinion be if the IPT would have been successful and they tried to make these changes? Would we have blindly walked this path knowing there could be a payoff at the end? I don't know about you, but, I envisioned people coming out of the woodwork trying to cash in on that opportunity. If it were succcessful and they changed it from International Pool Tour to International Cueing Arts Tour would we have responded the same way.
You'll notice I said we, because I don't like the term "Cueing Arts" either.
I am a systems integrator and I can tell you first hand that if you do not get a buy-in from the mainstream participants you will surely fail. It does though sound like you're using this as a platform for the betterment of your business rather than the improvement of the image of the word "pool".
I would ask the question to those that are objecting to his remarks:
What would your opinion be if the IPT would have been successful and they tried to make these changes? Would we have blindly walked this path knowing there could be a payoff at the end? I don't know about you, but, I envisioned people coming out of the woodwork trying to cash in on that opportunity. If it were succcessful and they changed it from International Pool Tour to International Cueing Arts Tour would we have responded the same way.
You'll notice I said we, because I don't like the term "Cueing Arts" either.
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AOyster
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Donovan said:
Actually, I did not coin the phrase "Cueing Arts" and I am not trying to change anyone's opinion/image of "pool", "billiards" etc.
If you click the link below you will see what I mean and where it originated. Our friends at Cue-Tech and Cue-Sport have been using this term for a lot longer than I have. I happened to like it very much when I was introduced to it by Randy on his business card back in the early 1990's.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=college+of+cueing+arts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Search google "Cueing Arts" if it doesn't work.
I created Academy of the Cueing Arts, not to be confused with "College of the Cueing Arts" at Cue-Tech. I started using "Academy of the Cueing Arts" in 2000 and the majority of my students seem to like it. I was merely tring to see what others here thought about it and the reflection it has on our sport.
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Hi everyone,
I agree with the whole bad image thing. People look at me like I have 4 heads when I say I love playing POOL, I always try to use the word "billiards" because they have this perception of the game in such a negative way.
I am looking into opening my own place and I am thinking myself into a frenzy as to HOW to change the perception and turn it into a positive thing. I think getting tables into country clubs & schools would be a wonderful thing.....hmmmm.....you guys have given me an idea......
In Snooker over across the big pond, they pack theater's FULL of people just to watch a snooker match! Like we pack stadiums to see baseball games. The only difference, is they respect the game, the players and realize that it's hard work! They are athlete's. Unfortunately, Americanizing the game of Snooker = POOL, we've made it so easy, we made our tables smaller, the pockets bigger, invented all of these new rules and games to give ourselves every advantage, forget about skill.
Because of that, hence, the hustler's game was born.
Now.....as for "Cueing Arts".....I'm not sure about that one...it's a good concept but I doubt it will catch on. It strikes me sorta like The Easter Bunny is now the Spring Rabbit, or Christmas tree is now the Holiday Bush.
I appreciate the idea though.
Take care all.
Hi everyone,
I agree with the whole bad image thing. People look at me like I have 4 heads when I say I love playing POOL, I always try to use the word "billiards" because they have this perception of the game in such a negative way.
I am looking into opening my own place and I am thinking myself into a frenzy as to HOW to change the perception and turn it into a positive thing. I think getting tables into country clubs & schools would be a wonderful thing.....hmmmm.....you guys have given me an idea......
In Snooker over across the big pond, they pack theater's FULL of people just to watch a snooker match! Like we pack stadiums to see baseball games. The only difference, is they respect the game, the players and realize that it's hard work! They are athlete's. Unfortunately, Americanizing the game of Snooker = POOL, we've made it so easy, we made our tables smaller, the pockets bigger, invented all of these new rules and games to give ourselves every advantage, forget about skill.
Because of that, hence, the hustler's game was born.
Now.....as for "Cueing Arts".....I'm not sure about that one...it's a good concept but I doubt it will catch on. It strikes me sorta like The Easter Bunny is now the Spring Rabbit, or Christmas tree is now the Holiday Bush.
I appreciate the idea though.
Take care all.
AOyster
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pwd72s said:
Yes, and it always will be because nature is perfect, humans aren't. We change and hopefully get better. Roses have and always will be perfect!
Our pursuit of perfection is never ending! Until the day, each time we make giant leaps forward toward that perfection, we like to reflect that leap with a different and new term so that others know where we are on the ladder.