In case you missed it...

[Cornerman]

I suggest you reread post #12 in this thread...here, I'll quote for you:
"the shaft that I removed from a Walmart cue was better quality than the butt of my Viking cue."

So Fred...its looks as you are bashing me for no reason. "Down right lie", "make up hogwash"....you are apparently the one with the lie...and making stuff up...woof up someone else's tree...the truth is in the printed words...if you actually take the time to read them. Kiss my @$$!!!!!

You even quoted it and still don't understand it??? What is your problem? If it's not a downright lie, then you simply would rather misunderstand something that needed no explanation.

Fred

 

[Mr. Wilson]

What do we need to do to get everyone to cool it?

Check yourselves.

 

[DaveK]

As for world champions...I do all the work for Allison Fisher (I believe she qualifies as a world champion), in fact I'm the ONLY one she'll let work on her cues.

You make Cuetec cues ? Do you know travis trotter ?

Dave, just kidding ... Allison does mention you on her website I believe.

 

[Timberly]

If you read through all the bickering there's a lot of information in that thread. Too bad it's degenerated into internet challenges and name calling.

I hadn't read the thread and once I saw the part about a lot of good info being there, I went looking for it... Am I missing something or is it no longer here?

 

[BrooklynJay]

I hadn't read the thread and once I saw the part about a lot of good info being there, I went looking for it... Am I missing something or is it no longer here?

I think it got deleted due to the negativity that it generated.

Really wasn't worth going thru for the little bit of information that was there.

 

[Chris]

I hadn't read the thread and once I saw the part about a lot of good info being there, I went looking for it... Am I missing something or is it no longer here?

It was deleted shortly after the death threat!

Some people take their internet forums WAYYYYY too seriously!

It started out with someone stating they had modified an inexpensive Wal-Mart cue shaft to a condition that was fairly pleasant to play with.

It soon progressed to the point where the kids were going to meet in the field beside the playground after school with their pocket knives and bike chains to beat one another up.

Just another day on Az the Cueball Rolls

Tune in tomorrow when we find out if hand towels purchased at K-Mart are of high enough quality to use at the pool room.

 

[stroke]

.... That is the only real surprise when the $8.88 shaft worked, that the insert was centered and square. I am none too sure that it will hold up but maybe by the time he needs another shaft he will be ready for a custom.

Hu

I have another Viking cue that is my main cue which I won in a University tourny but I'm repairing and painting it. It's better quality than my new Viking but I tell ya...... No more Viking cues for me.

 

[stroke]

It was deleted shortly after the death threat!

It soon progressed to the point where the kids were going to meet in the field beside the playground after school with their pocket knives and bike chains to beat one another up.

Tune in tomorrow when we find out if hand towels purchased at K-Mart are of high enough quality to use at the pool room.

LOL!!!!!! Damn, I missed the death threat... Did anybody save it?

 

[Sore_Aintya]

Fighting on the Internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Sure you win, but you are still "Special".

Some people need to get a grip and turn off their monitor.

On that note, Im off to bed. Cheers.

 

[JohnPT]

Fighting on the Internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Sure you win, but you are still "Special".

Some people need to get a grip and turn off their monitor.

On that note, Im off to bed. Cheers.

we got another winner here

 

[Matt_24]

I don't think my client list is any of your business. I do indeed have pro players using my cues. As for world champions...I do all the work for Allison Fisher (I believe she qualifies as a world champion), in fact I'm the ONLY one she'll let work on her cues. And yes...she has a cue that I made for her personal use. So there you have it...and I must say, its very nice of you to spend your time "often wondering" about me & my work.

Wow.....how did my question render such a smart ass response??? I was interested in buying one of your cues, and wanted to know WHY you put World Champion's choice and this is the response I get? Forget it.

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

I don't think my client list is any of your business. I do indeed have pro players using my cues. As for world champions...I do all the work for Allison Fisher (I believe she qualifies as a world champion), in fact I'm the ONLY one she'll let work on her cues. And yes...she has a cue that I made for her personal use. So there you have it...and I must say, its very nice of you to spend your time "often wondering" about me & my work.

Choice of Champions - I doubt that. There are many many cuemakers in this country that have put tips on professional pool player's cues, myself included and you don't see all of them calling themselves the "Choice of Champions". You might be the choice of one champion that lives near you for tip replacement but it seems to me that she did fine before you ever put a tip on one of her cues.

To make a free cue for anyone is not a "Claim to Fame" in my opinion. Now, if she ordered and paid for a cue from you and used it regurarly, that might be another story. What is the whole story?

When I first started out I made some cues for pros and later found out that some of them sold them when they needed money. Some of the professional players that did me wrong are: John Ditoro from Florida, Hunter Lombardo whom I used to sponsor, and Tommy Kennedy. At least Tommy Kennedy played with one of my cues for quite some time before he "gave it away" and I saw it on Ebay.

I was never stupit enough to give a cue to Jose Parica.

I will NEVER give another cue to anybody.

 

[Ken_4fun]

I will add something but take it how I mean it...

As a 42 year old guy, I have learned, mostly by the hard way, a few things that I wish I would have known earlier.

As a youngster, I got $10 each week and promptly took it to a coin shop and "filled holes" in coin collection. While it is a fond memory, I would have been better off someone telling me,,,,,save the $10 for a few weeks and buy the best conditon, truely rare coin I could afford. Those coins over the course of 30 years have gone up in value while the "hole fillers" I bought weekly have maintained or slightly went up.

I then went to guns, and by and large that is still true. Your almost always better off buying fewer but better guns than buying several poorer quality guns.

Corvettes the same.

I later in life got interested in cues and pool. I know guys that have 40-50 cues (production not anything special). Again, most collections are better off with higher end, given that the number will be lower.

My point for this guy is, if he is happy great. But understand that spending anything on a Walmart cue is throwing it away. Give me $100-$300 used cue, I can play with FOREVER and it will not lose value. I buy and sell them all the time and they move easily, generally can find a good player and when he wants to move up its pretty easy.

No judgements here, but I have learned that sometime saving the few bucks is actually costing you a few bucks.

Ken

 

[bandido]

When I first started out I made some cues for pros and later found out that some of them sold them when they needed money. Some of the professional players that did me wrong are: John Ditoro from Florida, Hunter Lombardo whom I used to sponsor, and Tommy Kennedy. At least Tommy Kennedy played with one of my cues for quite some time before he "gave it away" and I saw it on Ebay.

I was never stupit enough to give a cue to Jose Parica.

I will NEVER give another cue to anybody.

I fully understand what you've experienced and have actually gone through it too. But I still do it if I deem fit. One thing I've learned whle living in America is accountability. If I make a decision and happy when I do it then it stops there. No regrets, no passing the buck.

I recall that you were also scammed by somebody misrepresenting himself as Dennis Orcullo. I stopped pursueing that trace when I got to tracing it in a raunchy part of Manila. Same with a case from JBC. Found out anything more about it?

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

I fully understand what you've experienced and have actually gone through it too. But I still do it if I deem fit. One thing I've learned whle living in America is accountability. If I make a decision and happy when I do it then it stops there. No regrets, no passing the buck.

I recall that you were also scammed by somebody misrepresenting himself as Dennis Orcullo. I stopped pursueing that trace when I got to tracing it in a raunchy part of Manila. Same with a case from JBC. Found out anything more about it?

I can certainly undrerstand where you are coming from but it still does not prevent me from being disappointed in someone I trusted with my affection, time, materials and talent. I considered these players my friends. I don't think it is passing the buck.

I did not mention Dennis' name because I am convinced that he had nothing to do with that scam.

Just as a work of precaution. I had someone claiming to be Dennis Orcullo (A Pro Player from the Philippines) ask for a cue. I made a matched set for him and found out that it was NOT Dennis who received the cue. I asked FedEx to stop delivery but they did not. Thank you FedEx. BTW I will never ship another item via FedEx because that failure cost me over $1200.00 with the cues and leather case.

And the fun of cuemaking goes on and on. Ever wonder where old cuemakers get an attitude?

Good cuemaking,

 

[bandido]

I can certainly undrerstand where you are coming from but it still does not prevent me from being disappointed in someone I trusted with my affection, time, materials and talent. I considered these players my friends. I don't think it is passing the buck.

I did not mention Dennis' name because I am convinced that he had nothing to do with that scam.

Just as a work of precaution. I had someone claiming to be Dennis Orcullo (A Pro Player from the Philippines) ask for a cue. I made a matched set for him and found out that it was NOT Dennis who received the cue. I asked FedEx to stop delivery but they did not. Thank you FedEx. BTW I will never ship another item via FedEx because that failure cost me over $1200.00 with the cues and leather case.

And the fun of cuemaking goes on and on. Ever wonder where old cuemakers get an attitude?

Good cuemaking,

Sorry that you misunderstood my post. I said I understood where you're coming from and stated how I deal with it. "Passing the buck" has nothing to do with you.

With regards to the Dennis cue. It was a fact stated and since I was the one trying to help track that cue down here, I think my question was valid.

No biggie.

 

[onepocketchump]

I think it got deleted due to the negativity that it generated.

Really wasn't worth going thru for the little bit of information that was there.

The problem Jay was that the negativity was there from the beginning which lead to more responses and more negativity. You also jumped in to add salt to the discussion with a post that had absolutely nothng to do with the actual topic. That topic was the experience of one person who lucked into a good shaft from Wal-Mart.

So you added to the negativity as well, and promptly realized it as evidenced by your next post.

As to the "hilarity" of finding a shaft at Wal-Mart that is deemed better than an American brand name cue by the person who bought it; I find that it is important for people to share their experiences. Perhaps some people feel that such a thing is impossible but a hundred years ago the majority of the population thought that the majority of things we have and are capable of today were impossible as well.

I have cues in my warehouse right now that I could sell for $800-$1500 if I were to put some famous cuemaker's names on them. I also have some cues that I can't give away for $50. I have cues that have blemishes and I have cues that are as good as any cuemaker alive. I have a $59 sneaky pete that I'll put up against anyone else's sneaky pete all day. It costs $22 wholesale to the dealer and they don't stay in stock. If any American cuemaker were to sell just the shaft off of this cue they would get $100 or better for it. Conversely I have some $500 retail cues where I conssider the shaftwood to be below par on appearance but they hit good.

The point is that a quality cue can come from any factory anywhere. It is inevitable that among the hundreds of thousands of mass produced cues that some will have A-grade shafts, highly figured birdseye, tight inlays, perfect resonance, and so on. And it is inevitable that some of the brand name American factories are going to put out some below par cues. That's the way life works, not always perfect for those that try to be and sometime's good for those who aren't trying to be.

John Barton

 

[onepocketchump]

Sorry that you misunderstood my post. I said I understood where you're coming from and stated how I deal with it. "Passing the buck" has nothing to do with you.

With regards to the Dennis cue. It was a fact stated and since I was the one trying to help track that cue down here, I think my question was valid.

No biggie.

I never heard much back from it. Thanks for your efforts Edwin. I always thought it was a particularly clever scam even though I got taken. Everyone want's to be on Efren's bandwagon and so if not him then the next rising Filipino star...yada yada yada. That was years ago though and Dennis Orcullo didn't really start making a splash until now. Boy was I gullible. Can I have some of those Wal-Mart cues please?

I also lost a case to a guy pretending to have a magazine reviewing billiard equipment. Oh well, advertising expense.


John

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Sorry that you misunderstood my post. I said I understood where you're coming from and stated how I deal with it. "Passing the buck" has nothing to do with you.

With regards to the Dennis cue. It was a fact stated and since I was the one trying to help track that cue down here, I think my question was valid.

No biggie.

I did not take offense and I appreciate your efforts in trying to find my cues. Thanks again,

 

[onepocketchump]

LOL!!!!!! Damn, I missed the death threat... Did anybody save it?

Yeah, I was hoping to find it here. If it was to me then I feel special. I haven't ever had a death threat before. I wonder if my murder would someday make it on City Confidential. "This is tale of two pool cues that shoud have stayed in the poolroom, Charlotte, North Carolina, a southern belle of a city, with a heart of gold. The banking capital of the South. Also home to some of the most feared pool hustler in America and thier entourages. This is a tale of two periphial players vying for the limelight in that shadow world of bright balls. Two players within a few blocks who chose to begin a feud in cyberspace that bloodied the streets of the Queen City."......

Gotta run, need to pick up something at Wal Mart )

John