In defense of JR

[BRKNRUN]

Can you look at a ball on the table and identify the point that you must contact to knock it in the hole?
That's the target. You don't need to be down on the shot to identify this target. It's always there. And, it's always the same spot.

That's true, but that is only part of the process and quite frankly the easiest part of the whole process.

You also have to identify the following:

What "part" of the CB needs to contact that target.
Is CIT going to effect the OB
IS SPIN going to effect the OB

The part of the CB ("Bullet" so to speak) that is going to contact the OB is not the tip. it is often off to the side of the tip. IF you shoot your "Bullet Tip" at the contact point all the time, your end result will be a miss quit often.

IF it was as simple as shooting a bullet at a contact point with a cue the game would be very easy.

 

[drivermaker]

Let's use sporting clays as an example. A modified choke patterns about 80% of the pellets in a 30" circle at 40 yards.

Your stance (alignment) is to have your non-dominant foot slightly forward and back foot @ shoulder width from the front foot. Giving you a comfortable alignment toward your hot zone.
Now to AIM a shotgun is ludicrous. The lead on the target and knowing when to pull the trigger is done by POINT and FEEL. This I believe is relatively as accurate as laying up on a green or dropping onto a fairway that is 40-50 yards wide.

Either you DON'T play golf, or you play like a hack. You have no clue.

 

[TheOne]

This is beyond a shadow of a doubt the most ridiculous post you've ever made. I can't even imagine if you tried harder, that it could get more nonsensical.

The only thing CaptJR is going to get from me is a Mexican Hat Dance and now a Riverdance on top of his cap.

We have 5 senses...TASTE; SMELL; HEARING; SIGHT; and FEEL. Each one is SEPARATE. The process of aiming is VISUAL...We use our SIGHT and EYES to LINE UP THE BALLS. IT CAN'T BE DONE ANY OTHER WAY.

FEEL comes from the fingers and hands. Close your eyes to take a shot and tell me how FEEL allowed you to do it. For someone to continually say that it comes about as a result of feel needs to get touch with what their eyes are doing.

NOBODY CAN PLAY BY FEEL OTHER THAN A BLIND PERSON.

The eyes and VISUAL IMAGERY play the role in orienting us to the balls. Some ways, methods, and SYSTEMS are better than others. WAKE UP!!

"But I thought we had 6 senth's? Well that's what the movie was called?"

- jessica simpson, if she was here

BTW
I remember waking up asleep on my office pool table with a girl at 5am in the morning a few years ago. It was in central London overlooking Leicester Square and for some reason I was trusted with the office keys! Unfortunately she was blonde and a few of the other staff notice the table was covered with blonde hairs the next day! I can honestly say that (given the state I was in) I purely relied on feel, and I refuse to beleive any aiming system would have helped me that night!

 

[drivermaker]

I'm not Mr Bubble Gum, but I'll give this one a try ... Haphazard is better because it it easier to justify when you miss. Using a standard method and then missing causes more mental anguish. It's much less stressful to ignore the truth and hide in some mystical fog of feeling.

Also, haphazard is better when you want to take a long time to learn how to reliably pot a pool ball, since it takes a long time to develop a reliable feeling about any given shot if you have no method for determining the right aim/alignment for any given shot.

Take that, you heathen pagan Houlegin !

Dave.

Damn you're a great debater...you've got me totally stumped now.

 

[BazookaJoe]

Why don't you read who you are quoting, and keep up if you are going to post relies.

I don't delete posts, so I won't delete this one. I misread your comma.
My bad.

 

[BazookaJoe]

Either you DON'T play golf, or you play like a hack. You have no clue.

I am a hack. I don't play enough to develop the "feel"
Obviously you don't shoot sporting clays, or you can't hit a barn.

 

[drivermaker]

"But I thought we had 6 senth's? Well that's what the movie was called?"

- jessica simpson, if she was here

No, women only have the 6th one....men don't. They ALWAYS know that we're lying when we tell them we love them for their minds and not their body. (although you can sometimes get away with just saying you love them, you might catch a lapse in focus)

Now, let's talk a little more about Jessica Simpson...

 

[drivermaker]

I am a hack. I don't play enough to develop the "feel"
Obviously you don't shoot sporting clays, or you can't hit a barn.

As I said...you only develop feel after you've learned how to aim and align properly. It's what determines the swing path...not the other way around. You "FEEL" the SWING...not the aim or alignment. You methodically see, visualize, and set up during that stage.

Nope, I don't shoot sporting clays. I have two pistols and a license to carry and I hope I don't have to hit anything, cause they're gonna die. I WILL TAKE AIM if it ever gets to it.

 

[BazookaJoe]

As I said...you only develop feel after you've learned how to aim and align properly. It's what determines the swing path...not the other way around.

Nope, I don't shoot sporting clays. I have two pistols and a license to carry and I hope I don't have to hit anything, cause they're gonna die. I WILL TAKE AIM if it ever gets to it.

Do you carry 'em both, tex?

How exactly do you AIM a golf shot?
I'm not being a smartass, I'd genuinely like a rundown.

 

[DaveK]

Why don't you read who you are quoting, and keep up if you are going to post relies.

I quoted DM, and replied to his question to you, after first stating that I am not you (whew). And I'll post replies whenever I fucking well feel like it ! I can't believe that you would think I can't keep up when I reply 11 minutes after a post. Sheesh, the expectations of some people !

Dave

 

[drivermaker]

Do you carry 'em both, tex?

How exactly do you AIM a golf shot?
I'm not being a smartass, I'd genuinely like a rundown.

It depends on what kind of shot you're trying to play.

 

[BazookaJoe]

It depends on what kind of shot you're trying to play.

Lets say a chip shot onto the green.

 

[BazookaJoe]

I quoted DM, and replied to his question to you, after first stating that I am not you (whew). And I'll post replies whenever I fucking well feel like it ! I can't believe that you would think I can't keep up when I reply 11 minutes after a post. Sheesh, the expectations of some people !

Dave

I admitted my mistake. You can stop being a prick.

 

[drivermaker]

Lets say a chip shot onto the green.

Straight or breaking....

 

[BazookaJoe]

Straight or breaking....

fairly level green.

 

[DaveK]

The lead on the target and knowing when to pull the trigger is done by POINT and FEEL.

Then it is truely ironic that one of the the very first application of electronic computers, the ENIAC, was to calculate tragectories of projectiles. I'd say that the shooting of a gun can be done quite well by a computer, which of course has been told ahead of time (programmed) how exactly to determine where to point the gun and when to pull the trigger in order to hit a given target. You really do not need the homo sapien concept of 'feel' to blow away a lump of dirt. And the computer would likely be more accurate and consistent.

Dave

 

[DaveK]

I admitted my mistake. You can stop being a prick.

OK, you're right, I can't keep up. I cannot promise about stopping being a prick, sorry.

Dave

 

[Colin Colenso]

That's true, but that is only part of the process and quite frankly the easiest part of the whole process.

You also have to identify the following:

What "part" of the CB needs to contact that target.
Is CIT going to effect the OB
IS SPIN going to effect the OB

The part of the CB ("Bullet" so to speak) that is going to contact the OB is not the tip. it is often off to the side of the tip. IF you shoot your "Bullet Tip" at the contact point all the time, your end result will be a miss quit often.

IF it was as simple as shooting a bullet at a contact point with a cue the game would be very easy.

You can add to :
Is CIT going to effect the OB?
IS SPIN going to effect the OB?
with...
How far will be the the deflection of the CB with english?
How much will the CB swerve?
How will the speed effect all of the above?

Now, for a system or set of sytems to provide solutions to all of these at various speeds, distances and angles seems to me very unlikely.

Whereas, if I hit a shot hard with low left, slighlty elevated on a 1/2 ball and miss it to the right. I adjust a bit an repeat..and repeat...until I just remember what works. I may start by taking into account all these variables to make an initial estimate of aiming line, but I learn to hone in on making each shot very accurately by repetition, careful observation and adjustment.

 

[BazookaJoe]

Then it is truely ironic that one of the the very first application of electronic computers, the ENIAC, was to calculate tragectories of projectiles. I'd say that the shooting of a gun can be done quite well by a computer, which of course has been told ahead of time (programmed) how exactly to determine where to point the gun and when to pull the trigger in order to hit a given target. You really do not need the homo sapien concept of 'feel' to blow away a lump of dirt. And the computer would likely be more accurate and consistent.

Dave

I'm sure a computer can.
But can you accurately calculate the speed of a "lump of dirt" flying through the air and calculate the lead required to deliver the shot to a specific area?
Or do you, being human, have to develop a "feel" for it?

 

[girlwon1]

So the good players know to put some high right or high left and power through the object ball, throwing it back into the corner pocket and continuing on hitting 3 rails to get perfectly back on the nine ball. This is another example of shooting purely by fee.

After this thread winds down, in defense of WW, I might start another thread about the benfits/downfalls of shooting by fee. I don't know, but maybe that is just the last thing that Allison (other than the breaks in WW's opinion) that just might get her there playing even with Efren.

There should be a room seperate we can send people like WW and cuechick so I don't have to read their misinformed, unsubstantiated garbage anymore.
As always, IMHO, FWIW.