In response to foul on all balls

RunoutalloverU

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Ok I agree generally that there should be fouls on all balls. The reason I do is because is just eliminates all discussion on the topic. If you touch a ball its a foul period, end of problem. If you don't have that then you have lots of weird things that can come into play. Like I touched the ball and now it is potentially in a way of a run out for my opponent if I missed, and then I missed and he said I did it on purpose ( welll you get the idea how long these arguments and nuances could go on). However calling fouls on yourself is another matter entirely. Now I understand different sports have different cultures. What I mean is that certain things are ok in one sport that are not ok in another. I.e. can you imagine derek jeter after making a great play doing a celebration dance? Or the fact that basketball players are made to be street thugs if they fight, but in hockey it is just part of the game. Ok so with that perspective in mind. (And as much as I despise Earl Strickland) I think his skins match vs. Williams is an interesting case in point. Because strickland was vilified for not calling the foul on himself because scott smith (does anyone else think he looks like a 70's porn star?) didnt see it. But why should Earl call a foul on himself. In every other professional sport we applaud out athletes for getting away with a foul, taking a flop( in basketball), selling a tag (in baseball), or getting away with a hold (in football). So why in the heck shouldnt pool players be afforded the same chance to get away with a mistake that the "ref" didn't see. Oh and dont give me that because pool is a gentlemans game, or because pool is held to a higher standard. Because when (in Earls case) 20k is on the line all is fair in love and sports.
 
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Why you can't use foul on all balls rule

OK, let's say the US Open decides to put in the 'foul on all balls rule'. And let's assume that there are 16 tables in use. To use this rule you need a qualified ref at each table. Assume you can find 16 qualified refs who will work 16 hours per day for only $200 per day (a reach, I know). You also would need to provide them a hotel room and food. So add that up. $3200 per day in salary times 7 days equals $22,400. Double-occupancy rooms run about $100 per night and you need 8 of them for 7 nights equals $5600 And say only $50 per day in food is 16 times $50 times 7 days equals another $5600. So add up $22,400 plus $5600 plus $5600 equals $33,600.

Now, imagine that you are the guy who has to go tell all the pros that the prize fund this year is $33,600 LESS so you can have that rule. Actually, getting that many refs would cost much more. You would have to fly some of them in and they would demand more money than I outlined.

And don't even think about using this rule with no refs. Talk about opening a can of shark bait!
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
OK, let's say the US Open decides to put in the 'foul on all balls rule'. And let's assume that there are 16 tables in use. To use this rule you need a qualified ref at each table. Assume you can find 16 qualified refs who will work 16 hours per day for only $200 per day (a reach, I know). You also would need to provide them a hotel room and food. So add that up. $3200 per day in salary times 7 days equals $22,400. Double-occupancy rooms run about $100 per night and you need 8 of them for 7 nights equals $5600 And say only $50 per day in food is 16 times $50 times 7 days equals another $5600. So add up $22,400 plus $5600 plus $5600 equals $33,600.

Now, imagine that you are the guy who has to go tell all the pros that the prize fund this year is $33,600 LESS so you can have that rule. Actually, getting that many refs would cost much more. You would have to fly some of them in and they would demand more money than I outlined.

And don't even think about using this rule with no refs. Talk about opening a can of shark bait!

TAP! TAP! TAP!

Like JF said!
 
it was against Charlie Williams in the skins match...and you are entiltled to your opinion on cheating! If you have to win that way, you should do what your morals lead you to believe is the proper thing to do. I however think it IS a gentlemans game and dont feel right about winning that way. The pool gods will make you pay for it later anyway...I dont even make players call fouls on me in league because I dont have to win that way...I suppose you think the foot wedge is ok in golf?
 
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Jerry Forsyth said:
... And don't even think about using this rule with no refs. Talk about opening a can of shark bait!
My understanding is that in Europe and Asia, that's exactly what's done. All fouls. Few refs. I think it would be interesting to try in the US. The TD would learn pretty quickly which players never to allow into tournaments, and then the problems would stop. I think it would be an improvement. Get rid the the cheats.
 
Europe and Asia just seems to have a different and politer mindset, what works there prolly won't work here. They trust each other to do the right thing. In Japan they actually trust kids not to buy beer from the vending machine if they're underage :P
 
Back in England we had the all fouls rule in league play. Each game was reffed. Most folks were pretty good about calling fouls on themselves too. I still stay well away from touching other balls on the table while I play, I'm just used to it & after all, why should I need to knock another ball?
 
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