Yeah...he's unique alright. He tried to buy a cue off of me and pay me in cases, and he wasn't giving me the cases at or a little above his cost. He was trying to buy my cue by figuring the deal at the retail cost of the cases...he's unique alright.
IndyQ Labor Day Sale
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I agree-I will never try to deal with him again either,I wont go into details,just my recent experience.RackRunner said:
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Does anyone have a working link to his site for me.
Does anyone know if his site is down. I have tried more than once to get to it today with no luck.
Can anyone help.
Thanks
Kevin
Does anyone have a working link to his site for me.
Does anyone know if his site is down. I have tried more than once to get to it today with no luck.
Can anyone help.
Thanks
Kevin
Public companies have rebates for certain products when they want to meet short term goals like meeting revenue forecasts for a particular quarter. They usually take a charge-back in the next quarter to cover the amount of the rebates paid out.
Most of them are manufacturers rebates and they're counting on a percentage of the public not sending them in . Non-public companies or small businesses offering mail-in rebates is practically unheard of.
Most of them are manufacturers rebates and they're counting on a percentage of the public not sending them in . Non-public companies or small businesses offering mail-in rebates is practically unheard of.
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http://www.indycue.com/Kevin Lindstrom said:
RackRunner said:
I don't know the particulars of your deal. I will assume that you were discounting the cue from retail.
When I owned Instroke I often did trades like this. I offered retail to retail so that we both were protected with whatever we each paid for our things.
I don't think it's wrong to make an offer. There are three ways to approach a deal, win/win win/lose or no deal. Only win/win and no deal are really acceptable. If one side wins and the other side loses then both lose in the end.
All you have to do is say no thanks, which I guess you did, and no one gets hurt. If a guy is rich in cases and wants to promote them then it's to his advantage to pay in cases if he can. If you feel that the price balance is not fair then say no deal. Would it be any different if I offered a cash price that was too low for your liking?
It seems to me that the only people who have gripes about doing business with Roy are the ones who try to sell to him and don't get what they want. (based on a previous search on the AZ forums). The vast majority of people who purchase from Roy seem to be well satisfied with the product they receive, the amount of time Roy will spend making sure that they get what they want prior to the sale, and the follow up and attention after the sale.
He is hard to deal with, especially if you are trying to sell him something. He isn't a soft sell and calculates all the odds. And if he tries to get something at the lowest price he can how can you blame him. Aren't all of you dealers trying to do that?
I know that a lot of cue makers and cue dealers will use his site for reference to make their own sales. One is that they refer to IndyQ's price when selling brands that are featured there. Two is they use his vast library of high res pics to show potential customers what they can do for them by referring to what has been done. IndyQ is a virtual museum of cues spanning 15 years. So I find it funny when Roy gets knocked while people use him to sell their wares.
Roy's prices are higher than most. His products are pristine and his reputation for customer service is sterling. That's worth a little more in my book. However there is a thriving market where the general prices are lower, pick your reasons why this is. As seen by the number of "deals gone bad" threads it's obvious that sometimes a lower price or a seemingly "good trade" isn't quite as good as it seems on paper.
Like I said before most of the dealers on AZ will not do business with Roy. They don't like him and he does not like them. Fair enough. For the people who are not dealers though they have a choice to purchase from AZ dealers when the right thing comes along or to purchase from Roy. Those people generally find Roy to be pleasant and knowledgeable and easy to deal with. - generally
Edit: I am NOT picking sides here. Like I said earlier I understand both sides of the sales fence and me and my balls are squarely on the middle. I have explained to Roy how it is on the other side since that is where I started. He is OLD SCHOOL and really believes in the SUPPLY CHAIN where a manufacturer only sells to distributors who stock and they only sell to retailers who maintain a storefront and keep reasonable inventory. Obviously this was broken long ago in the billiard industry. However you cannot fault a man for standing on his values and principles when he backs them up with cash on the barrel head. Roy has done just this for 15 years so he gets my backing as do numerous dealers whom he labels (rightly or wrongly) as trunkers.
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mullyman said:
Mully, you will just have to trust me on this one.
I'll email you why.
chris G
Bump for IndyQ's Labor Day Sale.
And a thread that indicates Roy's level of customer service.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1252490#post1252490
And a thread that indicates Roy's level of customer service.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1252490#post1252490
ive talked to roy on a couple of occassions and its obvious if any cue maker rubs him wrong he will and do his best to bury them!!!! not my cup of tea! i would appreciate a honest opinion no matter what the dealings were!!! nothing personal!!! but he does ahve a good site but seems to have problems occassionally with it!!! if your a first timer lookin for a opinion on a cue just be prepared for roy!!! other than that he seems to have a decent reputation from what iv heard fover the years!!
Wtf??????????????
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Why didn't I Think of it First :thumbup:Worminator said:
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nick serdula said:Why didn't I Think of it First :thumbup:
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Because Roy was faster than you.:thumbup:
lol
you're funny!:grin-square:
CocoboloCowboy said:
you're funny!:grin-square:
mycustomcues said:
I will give Roy a lot of credit for being a inovative seller. He is alway coming up with a way to get you attention. Thnik the one area he could impove on is doing mass e-mail to those who e-mail address he has in his data base when he get his web-site updated, or like for this sale.:wink:
JB Cases said:
Since we are talking about fair dealings and all... What I like about Roy, is how he embeds his competitor's URLs and domain name variations in the meta tags/source code of his site. Nice way to try and poach search results that don't really belong to him. That's very fair, don't you think - maybe even a little honesty and integrity sprinkled on top to boot. Does that sound like someone who is "good people?"
Good thing that a lot more goes into SEO than just meta tags. I am sure that ilovecues.com, Billiard Warehouse, billiardcue.com, Chalkers and Proficient Billiards are glad about that. Just view the page source.
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marknyc said:
Got to admit, that's a pretty shady move....but very effective !!
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marknyc said:
Big deal. This is so 1990s. This was the cutting edge of Search Engine Optimization 15 years ago. It hasn't mattered in 15 years either. Back then it was paragraph #1 in SEO for dummies.
Google stopped counting meta tag keywords in 1996 - at least the SEO community is about 95% certain that meta tag keyword stuffing is useless.
But even at that there is not a web master/seo alive worth anything who doesn't sprinkle the websites that they design with competing brands to try and get keyword hits.
You sound like you know something about SEO. If so then you know that people rarely type a URL in a search engine and if they do it's almost 100% that that url will come up first on the SERPs. In google's case they just take you right to the website.
But what you really want to say is that it's unethical to put competitor's websites or brand names anywhere on a website for the purpose of getting noticed by web surfers? How so? It's just business. No different than Pepsi claiming to be better than Coke. I'd say that other websites should be putting IndyQ in their content to help them get hits as well if they aren't doing it already. If I were a dealer in high end cues I would put every cue maker's name on my website whether I actually had any in stock or not. This is business not charity.
Yes, Roy is GOOD PEOPLE, despite what you think of his SEO for Dummies practice of meta-tag stuffing.
The level of haters on these message boards is really depressing sometimes. Yeah, a caustic guy like Roy doesn't help when he is pissy about something but he's definitely straight up about how he feels, whether he is right or wrong. Anyway, you can say what you want but the guy is a stand up guy and if this is the best you can come with to attempt to assassinate his character I'd suggest you keep digging.
