yes we're at the Derby in the Pool I.Q. booth next to the John Binions steakhouse.
Introducing "CUE TATTOO" at Derby City Classic
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yes we're at the Derby in the Pool I.Q. booth next to the John Binions steakhouse.
Was at the Derby and seen them. Beautiful. They really dress up a plain cue and help accent the wood.
They are all done by hand and not a machine. The prices are not too bad considering the work and being able to have a unique wrap. They also have a nice feel.
They are all done by hand and not a machine. The prices are not too bad considering the work and being able to have a unique wrap. They also have a nice feel.
Hate to be negative here but is it right to say that this is "similar" to doing a tattoo? I understand marketing and understand the concept. But there are people who do actually tattoo on leather using traditional and well defined methods of tattooing.
I guess I would just like to see things called what they are. This pyrography technique is an age old honrorable way of decorating leather and it doesn't need to be confused with another age old and honorable form of decorating skin.
Isn't there another name that could be chosen other than Cue Tattoo?
Edit to add a picture of traditional tattooing on leather:
From this thread a while back: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=168506
I guess I would just like to see things called what they are. This pyrography technique is an age old honrorable way of decorating leather and it doesn't need to be confused with another age old and honorable form of decorating skin.
Isn't there another name that could be chosen other than Cue Tattoo?
Edit to add a picture of traditional tattooing on leather:
From this thread a while back: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=168506
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John, The fact is: You don't hate to be negative. YOU are usually negative.
- The guy has a unique product.
- It is HIS product.
- He can call it whatever he likes.
- I would suggest that he use the circle c indication, and copyright the term to HIS product.
Why don't you mind your own business!
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The prices of and variety of the things on your web site are very good. I will be placing an order soon. do you make everything in your shop?
I got a first hand look at Gils products and they are outstanding. He is also a very nice guy as is my good friend Joe Villalpando. The cue tattoo items that I got a chance to see are remarkable in person. For the record, I don't care what you want to call them, not sure why it bothers JB so much??? Good work Gil!
they are awesome cues, i looked at them carefully. they look "expensive" i dont know how else to describe them, they dont look like decal cues or those cues with the burned wood look. The leather work is "STRONG", soon as biz gets better for me i'm goinna buy one.
Hate to be negative here but is it right to say that this is "similar" to doing a tattoo? I understand marketing and understand the concept. But there are people who do actually tattoo on leather using traditional and well defined methods of tattooing.
I guess I would just like to see things called what they are. This pyrography technique is an age old honrorable way of decorating leather and it doesn't need to be confused with another age old and honorable form of decorating skin.
Isn't there another name that could be chosen other than Cue Tattoo?
Edit to add a picture of traditional tattooing on leather:
From this thread a while back: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=168506
first id like to say this is not an attack by any means on gils work,or gil himself , and i also understand the marketing idea behind the name, but in no way is this similar at all to doing a tattoo, i am a full time tattoo artist, i own my own tattoo studio, what gil has done is a good idea he burned the image on the leather, not tattooed it on leather, there is a big differance. ido leather work as well and you cant compare tooling leather to tattooing or burning leather, they are three seperate entities all together, the picture of the koi fish is actually a tattoo i did on leather about two years ago. as far as i know i am the only person actually tattooing leather , i would just hate for people to think that i took the idea from gil or anyone else,
Tattoo
Websters English Dictionary
1. Tattoo= mark the skin(what is leather?) with indelible designs or figures.
2. Indelible= not capable of being removed or erased.
3. I think this man qualifies to name his product what he has as he's met the meaning of tattoo. jmo
Websters English Dictionary
1. Tattoo= mark the skin(what is leather?) with indelible designs or figures.
2. Indelible= not capable of being removed or erased.
3. I think this man qualifies to name his product what he has as he's met the meaning of tattoo. jmo
Wow. All the hate just because I wanted to distinguish two art forms.
Sorry that it bugs me a little. It's not the end of the world but there are people who do tattooing and people who do pyrography and those people do NOT appropriate the description for either art form.
The dictionary may define it as an indelible mark but the REALITY is that tattooing is the art of injecting INK into the skin in order to COLOR it. It is practiced the same way all over the world in hundreds of cultures and has been for thousands of years.
BRANDING the skin is another way of making permanent marks. It is not tattooing.
LACERATING the skin is another way of making permanent marks. It is not tattooing.
But we can just mix and appropriate the terms as we see fit right? So is INLAY also a cue tattoo? How about marquetry? Laser engraving? If that's the case then we have been "tattooing" cues since 2005.
http://www.cuesight.com/pool-cue-engraving.html
But this is not "tattooing" it is engraving and painting. And pyrography is not tatooing, nor is it similar to tattooing.
But hey, whatever, marketing is marketing right. So the next time that someone puts a real tattoo on leather they will have to EXPLAIN that it NOT like the "Cue Tattoo" technique because the guy who markets the "Cue Tattoo" says it IS LIKE a tattoo.
I brought it up because I think that when one decorates using a particular art form then they should use the proper terms for that art form. Pyrography is BURNING the leather. Tattooing is INJECTING ink in the skin, Carving is cutting lines into the leather, stamping is pounding images into the leather, embossing is using applied pressure to make images in the leather, embossing is also the art of using plugs to enhance images in the leather.
I am somewhat of a purist when it comes to dilution of the terms to describe the art form.
That's all. If you want to hate me because of it then go ahead.
Sorry that it bugs me a little. It's not the end of the world but there are people who do tattooing and people who do pyrography and those people do NOT appropriate the description for either art form.
The dictionary may define it as an indelible mark but the REALITY is that tattooing is the art of injecting INK into the skin in order to COLOR it. It is practiced the same way all over the world in hundreds of cultures and has been for thousands of years.
BRANDING the skin is another way of making permanent marks. It is not tattooing.
LACERATING the skin is another way of making permanent marks. It is not tattooing.
But we can just mix and appropriate the terms as we see fit right? So is INLAY also a cue tattoo? How about marquetry? Laser engraving? If that's the case then we have been "tattooing" cues since 2005.
http://www.cuesight.com/pool-cue-engraving.html
But this is not "tattooing" it is engraving and painting. And pyrography is not tatooing, nor is it similar to tattooing.
But hey, whatever, marketing is marketing right. So the next time that someone puts a real tattoo on leather they will have to EXPLAIN that it NOT like the "Cue Tattoo" technique because the guy who markets the "Cue Tattoo" says it IS LIKE a tattoo.
I brought it up because I think that when one decorates using a particular art form then they should use the proper terms for that art form. Pyrography is BURNING the leather. Tattooing is INJECTING ink in the skin, Carving is cutting lines into the leather, stamping is pounding images into the leather, embossing is using applied pressure to make images in the leather, embossing is also the art of using plugs to enhance images in the leather.
I am somewhat of a purist when it comes to dilution of the terms to describe the art form.
That's all. If you want to hate me because of it then go ahead.
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You're not the only one tattooing leather. Maybe the one case maker but there are other people tattooing leather, you can google them. They are doing mostly furniture.
I hate the idea that people confuse the terms. That's all. Tattooing is one thing and Pyrography is another.
Two amazing art forms that shouldn't be confused.
The fact is that you know nothing about any of the processes involved. The product is not "unique" in that other people have been decorating wraps for several years prior, using other techniques.
Actually you can't name something whatever you like. There are specific laws which govern what type of "name" can go on or be attached to a product. The Federal Trade Commission and the United States Patent and Trademark offices have specific laws and regulations about this. I am not saying that using "cue tattoo" is against the law here but I am saying that you have no clue as usual.
You also have no clue about how copyrights and trademarks work. You don't copyright a trademark. When someone names a product or service then that is called a TRADE MARK (or Service Mark). It is used to distinguish their product or service from other similar offerings in the market place.
A trade mark gets the R for registered designation when the mark is accepted by the patent and trademark office. Before that the trademark user may use the designation TM to indicate that they are claiming ownership of the term as a trade mark.
Copyright ONLY applies to ARTISTIC works. So, just so you know, the ART that is BURNED onto the leather IS copyrighted automatically as long as it is original and not copied from another source. The ACT of doing the BURNING is the so called "Cue Tattoo" and therefore the ACT of doing this work is likened to the act of tattooing which leads to confusion in the consumer's mind as to what tattooing is.
Lastly, this is my business. I am in the business alongside Gil of decorating leather. Maybe someday I will want to offer cases or other leather goods, even wraps, that have been tattooed using the traditional and well known art of tattooing and perhaps those offerings will be a lot more expensive than Gil's offerings because of the amount of skill and labor involved.
Now I have to be on the defensive with my product right out of the gate because the CONSUMER will say, why is your "tattoo" so much more expensive than the "tatoo" from the other guy? Now I have to explain to everyone what a tattoo is, and the process and so on and so on.......
All because another business chose to use the wrong term to describe their product offering.
So, Mr. Clueless, you should change your handle to Life101 instead because you really have no clue how the real world works in business or life.
For the record, I know Gil, I like Gil, we get along well and I think that he offers a lot of leather products that are nice and cool and nicely decorated with the pyrographic technique.
I simply disagree with his choice of terms for this product. If that's too much for your stalking nature then tough.
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Get over yourslf!!
i HOPE u wake up from the leather you smoke... I rest my case or should I say Mr. Justis's case,maybe Mr. Swifts case,how about Mr. Whittin's case....I can't rest your case, I don't own one AND DON'T INTEND TOO!!!! p.s. WEBSTER'S STILL SAYS THE SAME THING AS I READ IT AGAIN. Ain't it great to buy American, i think so,I LOVE the U.S.A.
i HOPE u wake up from the leather you smoke... I rest my case or should I say Mr. Justis's case,maybe Mr. Swifts case,how about Mr. Whittin's case....I can't rest your case, I don't own one AND DON'T INTEND TOO!!!! p.s. WEBSTER'S STILL SAYS THE SAME THING AS I READ IT AGAIN. Ain't it great to buy American, i think so,I LOVE the U.S.A.
Cool wraps Gil!
You're absolutely correct. I was disappointed when I bought a Diamond pool table and I found no real diamonds in it....or that I bought an Apple computer and found myself still hungry...or that I can't find Buffalo wings made of real buffalo...or that Tiger Balm has no ingredients that include tiger or tiger parts....but I've yet to determine whether or not Comet is a cleaning product made from real fallen meteorites.
The point I'm making is that not everything has to be taken literally. Names are developed because they sound good/have a nice ring and not necessarily because it exactly describes the product.
Yeah, I understand MARKETING full well since that's part of what I do for a living.
I said clearly that I understand WHY Gil chose the name. And it does have a nice ring to it.
The Bunjee Jumper jump cues that I made back in the day didn't have any Bunjee cord in them........but then again no one looking for a Bunjee cord is going to mistake the cue for mountain climbing gear.
Here.....however there is a very real chance that the consumer would take the name of the service and the resulting product literally and think that they received a tattoo in the traditional sense. At least this is my opinion on it.
And again it's something where people do REAL tattooing on leather already. So like I said when the two services are compared the one who does the REAL TRUE tattooing will have to be the one who has to educate the consumer on the difference and that is unfair and unfortunate.
Look up "confusion" as pertains to trademark law.
Also, trademarks are there for CONSUMER protection and not for VENDOR protection.
Great. Now it's a patriotic issue? I guess it's easier for you to deflect from the discussion and push the PATRIOT button.
Oh well, when you can't fight then the best course is to run and hide.
Look up punctuation and grammar in Websters while you are at it. You might try and brush up on that when you can let go of your flag dress for a minute.
nice work tattoosbyjay
IS THE DICTIONARY CONFUSED STILL??? or is the consumer being sold another (DON'T BUY FROM THAT GUY, FALSE ADVERTISING) buy from me, I'm smarter,and jealous he beat me to it.... read post #5...sounds like someone else wrote that. I rest my case or should I say Jack's case, Dan's case or Dennis's case...confused again!!!!