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Rickw said:
Deno,

Good post! I totally agree that this certainly appears to be a win/win. I fail to see any down side for the players. However, when it comes to the other pool organizations, some may actually go out of business because everyone is going to be trying to get into the IPT. I heard that the Sands in Reno is thinking about changing the date of their December tournament because your tournament is running at the same time and they're worried about a low turnout. What the heck, if I was a pro player, I'd be looking awfully hard at trying to get some of that 17 million too!
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It shouldn't be hard to schedule tournaments around our dates. We are not placing events on top of others but rather trying to finalize our dates well in advance of any other promoters so that there is no clash. We want the players to be able to play everywhere. Kevin Trudeau wants everyone to do well.

Deno
 
Deno J. Andrews said:
I don't mind. There is going to be a lot of stuff that happens within the IPT that people aren't going to understand. Just remember that our only point of reference is a model that has failed the players, spectators, and the industry in general. My belief is that sometimes the most unbelievable things cause the most accomplishment. Instead of bashing the plan, maybe you could try to embrace it and encourage anyone who would like to attend to buy their seats up front. Just a thought.

Thanks,
Deno
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It won't happen, if you actually stick with this rule, you will have very few there. I am sorry that is a fact. You have a sport here famous for not being able to draw flies and you are going to make it even harder to fill your seats? This is a work in progress, and some things will need to be rethunk, (is that a word?) and that is one of them. If it is to be on TV you NEED full seats.
 
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Rickw said:
Deno,

Good post! I totally agree that this certainly appears to be a win/win. I fail to see any down side for the players. However, when it comes to the other pool organizations, some may actually go out of business because everyone is going to be trying to get into the IPT. I heard that the Sands in Reno is thinking about changing the date of their December tournament because your tournament is running at the same time and they're worried about a low turnout. What the heck, if I was a pro player, I'd be looking awfully hard at trying to get some of that 17 million too!
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If ipt tour is nov. 30-dec. 4, no conflict.
pro reno is Dec. 6-11
Most of the guys chosen for the initial invitation don't play in reno anyway.
However they will have plenty of money to fly into Reno the next day thanks to K.T
 
macguy said:
It won't happen, if you actually stick with this rule, you will have very few there. I am sorry that is a fact. You have a sport here famous for not being able to draw flies and you are going to make it even harder to fill your seats? This is a work in progress, and some things will need to be rethunk, (is that a word?) and that is one of them. If it is to be on TV you NEED full seats.
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Let's see...

Deno
 
Well, as far as tickets go, I wouldn't compare this to any other tour, but I might agree that the early rounds will be a hard sell. Maybe not the first year though, the first year each tournament will most likely sell out due to it's something different and new.

Some events and shows I have attended have advance admission at lower price then the door tickets, and sometimes they offer things to advance admission holders like maybe early admittance to see practice or meet someone or say get promo item, this actually works in getting people to buy early.

The package deals work well if there are multiple days and tickets, I often fall for a 4 day pass or a 3 day pass at a special price, I may originally only wanted to go one day:D this twists many peoples arms and they end up spending more then they were going to and fill the event:D

Often you can get business to give you something for free to give out, in this case say a promo tip tool to give away as a promo on a certain day, so if you have 5 day event, this can get people to buy passes and actually attend every day. You would be amazed at how many people would go a certain day just to get a little free widget or hat:D Something like, first round all attendees receive a free limited edition IPT 8-ball hand towel....it cost almost nothing promotes your tour and people are crazy and fall for this like mad.

I think all the marketing will fall in line after the first few tournaments, you can't really make these decisions without first seeing what the demand is going to be. I don't really have a problem with no door tickets, but they could always say only 50 tickets available at the door for back row seating only most NBA teams do this when they sell out anyway.

I've done some work around promotions and marketing, I find it to be a blast. Sadly pool has never really done much marketing of itself:(

Just having a guy like Deno to listen is a HUGE step in the right direction for pool!

Bravo Deno!
 
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No Conflict Deno

Ipt Invitatiional Nov. 30 Thru Dec. 4
Reno Open Dec. 6-11

Any Pros Wanting To Attend Both Should Not Have A Problem Flying Into Reno Since Everyone Is A Winner With A Min. Of $6200
Lol.
 
nfty9er said:
Ipt Invitatiional Nov. 30 Thru Dec. 4
Reno Open Dec. 6-11

Any Pros Wanting To Attend Both Should Not Have A Problem Flying Into Reno Since Everyone Is A Winner With A Min. Of $6200
Lol.
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Doesn't Reno have 2 tournaments per year? Maybe it's the other one that might have a conflict.
 
To all concerned parties;

First of all, I want to thank Deno for accepting the position with the IPT. He has shown through many years that he has a sense of fair play and integrity. He and his associates have the largest responsibility ever put on a "pool player".

I strongly encourage all interested parties to support this venture - it will help propel our great sport into the future. Players will be able to make a real living IMAGINE THAT!!!

All the discussions about the selection process have been answered, and many are not truly valid. This is just the start and in a couple of years, the "pecking order" will be well established.

I think this is an exciting time to be in the billiard industry. To go a little deeper, many realize I purchased the BCA Pool League about 16 months ago. I found it very difficult to convince everyone that all I wanted to do was to improve the world of billiards. Many predicted failure, and even tried to cause failure. Change causes concern - but I really think the best thing to do is to get involved in any way you can. If you have reservations, just sit back and watch.

This is a huge undertaking. Not everyone is going to instantly pleased, but the end result should make everyone happy.

There is almost no way the players and pool world can get injured. This can only help. Please support the IPT.

Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
markg@playbca.com
 
Yes they do

Nostroke said:
Doesn't Reno have 2 tournaments per year? Maybe it's the other one that might have a conflict.
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But the other one is beginning of June. No conflict again. They do have the handicap usppa that would conflict but that has only a couple of eligible pros that are in the ipt. Tony Chohan would be the only one I can think of at this time.
 
Oh yeah, one other thing.

When the IPT set up their original dates, they had an event in Las Vegas tentatively set for early December. I contacted one of their people I had met. I mentioned that they were conflicting with the Sands Reno 9-ball event.

I explained that this event had been going on for over 20 years, and although $20,000 added (or so) is not a lot of money when compared with the monies the IPT is paying out, it is still a good event in the pool world.

They thanked me for the information and the next schedule they posted had the event in Orlando a coupole of days before the Reno event. I think that speaks volumes about their intent.

Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
markg@playbca.com
 
Mr. Andrews,

I'm very enthusiastic about the IPT, and I have been waiting with bated breath to see the match between Sigel and Jones...even though the outcome is hardly a secret. What has been the delay in getting this to the masses? That may be a question that you cannot answer at this point, or it may be forthcoming in the near future. I'm just curious because it is well past the original inteded date for broadcast.
 
I was one of the skeptics and I have to say the IPT organization surprised me in a positive way. Sure the selection could be different and why does a mummy get 30K but money talks. There were some criticism on the entree fee and it was put back to 1$.
The deal made with Williams is very nice and a big step.

But my question was: Will it be broadcasted and will the website keep the scores up to date. We had a great online scoring system that followed the score rack by rack at the European Pool Championships. (http://www.europeanpoolchampionships.com)

"To enjoy the European Pool Championships Live Scoring to the fullest we've set up a nice Scoreboard for you to watch. This scoreboard is visible troughout the whole venue but also is available for you poolfans at home. The scoreboard is designed for display at 1024x768 and will open in a new browser window. Press F11 (Internet Explorer) for full screen view. The scoreboard will refresh automaticly every 10 seconds; there's no need to hit your refresh-button every time. "


Many many fans were keeping track of the matches true this system.

Best regards,

Berry van Leeuwen
 
Blackjack said:
Joe,
Your exclusion is a travesty, yet I think if you want to play on the IPT, knowing you, your determination will get you there. Best of my luck my friend.

Deno, thanks for addressing those issues. Now for a tough question or two.

1) What is being done to form an organization that is deisgned to be separate from the tour to represent the players?

2) What is being done legally to protect the interest of the players if Kevin decides not to continue with this tour after this 2 year commitment? Is something being established to where the tour will continue until the IPT can find another title sponsor? Are we protecting ourselves to ensure that we will not be dropped on our heads again? You can answer me here, or give me a call at 386-208-0011 if you'd rather discuss that privately.

Best of luck, and congratulations on your position.

Blackjack
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Deno was very nice in his reply to this post and I will try to be as nice while expressing how much I disagree with the ideas in it. A guy with money steps up and starts a private venture which will be the biggest windfall to low income, but highly skilled, people in a long time. The first thing asked is what the person putting up the money will do to sabotage his own organization and what can be done to sue him if the money given to the low income people runs out. It is this kind of thinking which may destroy America and almost destroyed the world in the 20th century. I mean, how can anybody think the players are owed a damn thing after 2 years unless it is a successful venture? If pool catches on the players will make money. This can happen if they are entertaining and are worth the payment to them in terms of the value they bring to a tour. That is what Tiger is paid for. And the tennis players, and football players. None of them have an "interest" such that they can sue if their sport goes belly up.


The more I hear from detractors the more I root for KT and the IPT to make a bunch of money. And if it goes belly up the players won't get a wet match, but so what. They aren't entitled to even that right now.
 
iconcue said:
please do not misunderstand.

i was not suggesting a need to organize or unionize the players.

i was pointing out that it was not the tours responsibility to organize or unionize the players as david implied in his post. why would they help to create an adversarial organization.
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My suggestion was not to unionize the players. But to get ideas from unions themselves on how they my become more united in speaking as one. If there is a problem that might need tweeking and they believe they have a majority solution they can pass that higher up. Mere suggestions they can voice as everything progresses from tourny to tourny. These pool players in a lot of ways are like a profit sharing company. Nobody more than them want's this to succeed.

At this time more than any other time they need to think as one, to help as much as they possibly can in supporting this venture. You cannot support anything individually from the playing ranks. United they have a better chance of standing. Also to truley make this a win-win situation the players need to police themselves. There shouldn't have to be any finger pointing at player improprities that "cost us because..." Sure strange things happen but I don't think any player wants to shit in this bed made for them. If any failures occur they will at least have the piece of mind to say we did everything right. We tried the best we could.

What if everything in the end turns out better than anything anyone could ever have imagined...what then?
 
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I guess that if a player, of the 43, is sick that you pick one from the 150 list. May I suggest the current European 8-ball Champion Alex Lely!!!

European 8-ball champion 2005 Alex Lely!
 
iconcue said:
i agree with your ideas! i was pointing out that it was not the ipt's responsibility, nor should it be the ipt's responsibility, to organize the players!
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You are correct on both counts! My long winded roundabout way of speaking my opinion can be misleading. I must reread my posts.
 
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