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[macguy]

Could someone explain why MS would point these things out?

Because he is an ex drug user who never had a pot to piss in his whole life. He has a couple of buck's in his pocket now and is to stupid to realize how fast he will be broke again. People live lives of repeated behavior. Wait a year and check in with Mike again, better yet try ten years or so and it will not be a pretty picture and it could not happen to a better guy.

 

[JAM]

Could someone explain why MS would point these things out?

I wish I could. You know, I have heard MANY rumors about the IPT, and one of them was that Mike Sigel was seen with Kevin Trudeau in Costa Rica on a fishing trip after the Reno event, while the players were left with no tournament monies. I do not know if this is true or not, but the person who relayed this to me is a stand-up guy.

As an aside, when Keith was in Reno and the announcement was made on Sunday that there were no checks forthcoming, he was in a bad way. He knew he had to pacify me upon his return as it pertains to monies paying bills incurred for this trip. He also put the bite on a few people in Reno due to his craps table activities, thinking he could pay them back on that Sunday.

Mike Sigel made a statement that he would pay out cash for anybody who wanted the money right then and there for a 5-percent fee. Keith immediately took him up on his public offer, which maybe Mike didn't think anyone would. Mike then recanted his offer and became mute. I think Sigel was blindsided and did not think at that time things would turn out the way they have.

I do want all of the players to get paid, and some IPT players that I have spoken to think that this will happen, though it is taking longer than they would like, as we all know.

I only wish that when Kevin Trudeau came up with his "vision" that he would have had different advisors about the state of pool. Maybe a different platform would have developed, one which was feasible and economically sound. I think Trudeau was given bad advice by some who he may have placed his trust in, and I would even go so far as to say it was Trudeau who was hustled from the beginning.

Sadly, today the players are the ones who have been left out in the cold.

JAM

 

[JAM]

Because he is an ex drug user who never had a pot to piss in his whole life.

Well, I know a lot of pool players who were substance abusers during their pool-playing career. It was the Woodstock generation in the '60s and '70s, when it was socially acceptable to alter one's state of consciousness at will. Some of these EX-substance abusers today are BCA Hall of Famers and highly respected by their peers.

As far as having a pot to piss in, I think your opinion is wrong about Mike Sigel. Like Allen Hopkins, Sigel left competitive pool full time to pursue another endeavor because there was no money to be made by being a tournament soldier. Sigel did create his own line of cue sticks and did so successfully.

He has a couple of buck's in his pocket now and is to stupid to realize how fast he will be broke again. People live lives of repeated behavior. Wait a year and check in with Mike again, better yet try ten years or so and it will not be a pretty picture and it could not happen to a better guy.

Sigel is not one of my favorite pool players, and he may be a lot of things, but the picture you have painted in the above-referenced post is nothing more than a suckerpunch.

JAM

 

[gabesmom]

Because he is an ex drug user who never had a pot to piss in his whole life. He has a couple of buck's in his pocket now and is to stupid to realize how fast he will be broke again.

I didn't really follow his career, just what I've read (mostly here on AZB) over the past few years about some of his accomplishments. I guess it just struck me wrong him making a point on these things given the circumstances of everything.
I had read about Efren in a particular interview, (who I assume hasn't been completely paid yet either) and he had said there are so many people with needs and alot of his money goes to helping those people from his homeland.
Thanks Macguy.

 

[gabesmom]

Well, I know a lot of pool players who were substance abusers during their pool-playing career. It was the Woodstock generation in the '60s and '70s, when it was socially acceptable to alter one's state of consciousness at will. Some of these EX-substance abusers today are BCA Hall of Famers and highly respected by their peers.

As far as having a pot to piss in, I think your opinion is wrong about Mike Sigel. Like Allen Hopkins, Sigel left competitive pool full time to pursue another endeavor because there was no money to be made by being a tournament soldier. Sigel did create his own line of cue sticks and did so successfully.



Sigel is not one of my favorite pool players, and he may be a lot of things, but the picture you have painted in the above-referenced post is nothing more than a suckerpunch.

JAM

Hi JAM, I too know alot of players who have not acquired much materially over their careers, some due to drugs and so forth. But to me, that isn't the point. I was just wondering why he would think it important to say he needs the current payroll due to owning/spending on these particular things, in this interview. Or as JD said, it wasn't really an interview anyway.
I just thought such a spokesperson for the sport, or especially for this situation, would have reacted differently. But like I said, I don't know him, so wanted other's ideas. Maybe I'm the only one who got a little bent by it.
Thanks JAM.

 

[JAM]

Hi JAM, I too know alot of players who have not acquired much materially over their careers, some due to drugs and so forth. But to me, that isn't the point. I was just wondering why he would think it important to say he needs the current payroll due to owning/spending on these particular things, in this interview. Or as JD said, it wasn't really an interview anyway.
I just thought such a spokesperson for the sport, or especially for this situation, would have reacted differently. But like I said, I don't know him, so wanted other's ideas. Maybe I'm the only one who got a little bent by it.
Thanks JAM.

Kathy, if you have ever spoken to Mike Sigel in person, then you will realize what a chore it must have been for J.D. Dolan to interview him. When Mike Sigel is speaking, it is difficult to get a word in edgewise. The conversation centers on him, with him doing the most talking! Sometimes he doesn't even let people finish their sentences, before interrupting them.

Mike Sigel may not be everybody's cup of tea, but some of the things that have been written about him on AzBilliards are way off the mark. Some suckerpunching monkey posters have said some ridiculous things about him, such as him being a homosexual with Kevin Trudeau, him not having a pot to piss in, et cetera, et cetera. It is those comments that I find very offensive to read, when I know they are lies.

BTW, if you talk to your champion good-looking son, would you please cast a vote on his behalf for him on the IPT poll in this forum?

JAM

 

[gabesmom]

Kathy, if you have ever spoken to Mike Sigel in person, then you will realize what a chore it must have been for J.D. Dolan to interview him. When Mike Sigel is speaking, it is difficult to get a word in edgewise. The conversation centers on him, with him doing the most talking! Sometimes he doesn't even let people finish their sentences, before interrupting them.

Mike Sigel may not be everybody's cup of tea, but some of the things that have been written about him on AzBilliards are way off the mark. Some suckerpunching monkey posters have said some ridiculous things about him, such as him being a homosexual with Kevin Trudeau, him not having a pot to piss in, et cetera, et cetera. It is those comments that I find very offensive to read, when I know they are lies.

BTW, if you talk to your champion good-looking son, would you please cast a vote on his behalf for him on the IPT poll in this forum?

JAM

I guess I just found it an inappropriate time for him to list his current elaborate financial needs. I know alot of the other players just have the financial needs to take care of their families, put food on the table, travel expenses, etc.
If it were an interview about MS and his possessions today, then perhaps it would make more sense.

Having been on drugs or not, I would like to think that alot of other players would be a bit more tactful on the IPT subject. But many others are more conservative and don't quite have the need for the status quo MS says he has.
Yes, will ask Gabe about the poll. I think his vote would be to be paid in full, and IPT continue somehow. But I don't know for sure until I ask him. I know he has some other things - a few non pool related - that he's involved in. Which is a good thing, to take his mind off of the state of IPT. But he only wears $200.00 suits, car is paid for, and eats at Subway or at home alot.

 

[JAM]

I guess I just found it an inappropriate time for him to list his current elaborate financial needs. I know alot of the other players just have the financial needs to take care of their families, put food on the table, travel expenses, etc. If it were an interview about MS and his possessions today, then perhaps it would make more sense.

Funny thing is that a lot of the industry members I see at high-profile event are dressed in Italian suits, expensive-looking leather shoes, and seem to be making ends meet okay.

I agree that the majority of pool players, at least here in the States, do not own suits of this quality, with the STRONG exception of New York City players. I think it is a regional thing up there, though. Maybe New Yorkers are just more into that fashion.

Some of the pool players from the Big Apple area actually wax their eyebrows and get manicures. I asked Keith one day to join me in getting a pedicure. Feet maintenance is important for pool players, as they are standing for so many hours. He wouldn't step foot in the joint, much less have them polish his nails.

Having been on drugs or not, I would like to think that alot of other players would be a bit more tactful on the IPT subject. But many others are more conservative and don't quite have the need for the status quo MS says he has.

Mike Sigel has a very big ego, which is evident to most, if not all, who have met him in person and spoken to him for any length of time. I found his significant other to be a little snooty and snobbish myself, but I'm a Southern girl at heart and maybe take a little offense when others have an air about them that they think they are better than others. There is no doubt in my mind that Mike Sigel is a Yankee.

Interestingly, though, when I spoke to Kevin Trudeau, always dressed to the nines in his designer clothing, brandishing a diamond-studded watch, with his "personal assistant" always standing guard close by, he did not strike me as snooty or snobbish. He did take the time to speak to all attendees of the IPT events, even me, a plebian railbird. He did not have an air about him that struck me at stuck up because he had wealth.

Yes, will ask Gabe about the poll. I think his vote would be to be paid in full, and IPT continue somehow. But I don't know for sure until I ask him. I know he has some other things - a few non pool related - that he's involved in. Which is a good thing, to take his mind off of the state of IPT. But he only wears $200.00 suits, car is paid for, and eats at Subway or at home alot.

Well, Keith used to only wear clothes he purchased from thrift stores. Materialistic items have never been a priority in his life as a rolling stone on the American tournament trail.

Since the IPT came to the fore, Keith has more suits today than he will ever need in life. We got most of them on sale. Keith doesn't own a car, thank God , and today, we enjoy home-cooked meals. Since we have not been traveling the tournament trail in recent times, spending monies for hotels and other tournament-related expenses, we actually have a little extra jingle in our pockets. We enjoyed an ambrosial prime rib dinner on Christmas Day. Last year, I don't think I would have splurged on such an elaborate dinner menu.

For me, since the IPT has come to a halt, life is good!

JAM

 

[justnum]

on a positive note

Keith seems like he is using the IPT as an excuse to play dress up.

And his skills have afforded him the ability of a steady houselife.

"Its like a nightmare except this time the dreamer wins."

 

[JAM]

on a positive note

Keith seems like he is using the IPT as an excuse to play dress up.

And his skills have afforded him the ability of a steady houselife.

"Its like a nightmare except this time the dreamer wins."

Not sure what you mean by the cryptic quote, Justnum.

As far as Keith using the IPT as an excuse to play dress up, I'm not sure where you're coming from with that either. Since I have attended pool events with Keith, he has met the dress code for each event that he competes in. Keith's skills have afforded him to live the lifestyle that he has chosen.

It just could be that having a "steady houselife" [sic] may not have been a priority in Keith's life. Maybe his mother passing when he was 9 years of age formed his goals in life as a child. It was the pool room who then became Keith's family, and he soon discovered that he had talent.

About the head of a truly great pool player, there is an air of freedom unconquerable. The eyes seem to look on heights beyond our gaze. It is the look of a spirit that can soar. It is not confined to champion pool players. Even in his pictures, you can see it in the eyes of Bonaparte. It is the birthright of eagles.

And Keith, Justnum, is very happy being Keith, whether he's wearing a designer suit or a pair of old blue jeans.

JAM

 

[JAM]

...And Keith, Justnum, is very happy being Keith, whether he's wearing a designer suit or a pair of old blue jeans...

With the one exception of when I forced him to wear this!

JAM

 

[justnum]

that cant be for real

 

[TheOne]

Mike then recanted his offer and became mute.

Say it ain't so!

Maybe there lies the secret, just put the bite on him lol

PS
KT was hustled?!!! OMG WTF!

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I Surrender

JAM, you really should post a Warning before displaying that photo. I was eating lunch and now it's all over my laptop....
Doug
( half a league,half a league,half a league onward, into the Valley of Death rode the six hundred........ and Keith in that getup

 

[JAM]

...KT was hustled?!!! OMG WTF!

I wonder whose bright idea it was to have a $2,000 entry fee for the IPT qualifiers.

I mean, Craig, how MANY aspiring pool players do you think exist in the world today who could and would post up that kind of dough? You and I both know the answer to that, I think.

For that matter, how many aspiring pool players do you think even exist in the world today who would consider playing in an IPT event? I am talking about professional players and aspiring professional players.

I remember reading that, quote/unqoute, "tens of thousands" of IPT applications came flooding to the IPT website by pool players who desired to get picked as one of the original 150 members. Tens of thousands? I thought that number was way off the mark. It is hard for me to believe that the incoming applications totaled five figures in number.

Whoever provided advice to Kevin Trudeau in the initial stages of the formation of the IPT may have exaggerated how many professional and aspiring professional pool players would participate in an IPT.

Based on this and this alone, I think is where Trudeau got hustled. I do not believe he was given a realistic picture of the state of pool as we -- you and I -- know it then and today. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

 

[JAM]

JAM, you really should post a Warning before displaying that photo. I was eating lunch and now it's all over my laptop....
Doug
( half a league,half a league,half a league onward, into the Valley of Death rode the six hundred........ and Keith in that getup

If you could have only seen the look in his eyes! It was 110 degrees outside that day. I was happy as a lark snapping pictures. LOL

JAM

 

[TheOne]

I wonder whose bright idea it was to have a $2,000 entry fee for the IPT qualifiers.

I mean, Craig, how MANY aspiring pool players do you think exist in the world today who could and would post up that kind of dough? You and I both know the answer to that, I think.

For that matter, how many aspiring pool players do you think even exist in the world today who would consider playing in an IPT event? I am talking about professional players and aspiring professional players.

I remember reading that, quote/unqoute, "tens of thousands" of IPT applications came flooding to the IPT website by pool players who desired to get picked as one of the original 150 members. Tens of thousands? I thought that number was way off the mark. It is hard for me to believe that the incoming applications totaled five figures in number.

Whoever provided advice to Kevin Trudeau in the initial stages of the formation of the IPT may have exaggerated how many professional and aspiring professional pool players would participate in an IPT.

Based on this and this alone, I think is where Trudeau got hustled. I do not believe he was given a realistic picture of the state of pool as we -- you and I -- know it then and today. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

Thanks for clarifying your point, however personally I would never make excuses for KT. I would bet a house that every single exaggerated quote came out of one persons mouth and one persons only. In fact I'm pretty sure the quote you mention originally came from this man himself during a certain webchat

I feel for what u and every other player has been put through but don't make excuses for this man JAM. He knew what he was doing from the outset and it was to MAKE MONEY, he did NOTHING for the LOVE of pool. If you strip away the hype and BS this scam is no different to any other scheme he has had, it sadly just has a pool twist.

I've seen so many people (scamsters) like him around the world and they're all the same JAM. The signs where there from the outset but these people prey on the desperate and destitute (and sadly pool was in a pretty desperate state when he came along) and it's not always so easy to see. Even now after this guy has come out with so many crazy unbelievable excuses we still see people wanting, craving, aching to believe!

It's all very very sad

 

[Brian in VA]

About the head of a truly great pool player, there is an air of freedom unconquerable. The eyes seem to look on heights beyond our gaze. It is the look of a spirit that can soar. It is not confined to champion pool players. Even in his pictures, you can see it in the eyes of Bonaparte. It is the birthright of eagles.

And Keith, Justnum, is very happy being Keith, whether he's wearing a designer suit or a pair of old blue jeans.

JAM

I love it when you wax poetic Jam! It's so nice to read someone who writes English in such a manner! Tap, tap, tap!

Brian in VA - who sweats over every syllable

 

[frankwhite]

Wow

What a mug, only a nephew could love.

 

[gabesmom]

If you could have only seen the look in his eyes! It was 110 degrees outside that day. I was happy as a lark snapping pictures. LOL

JAM

Not to change the subject of the original thread but for a moment. Will this photo be in Keith's book? (I love it!)