IPT article in Details magazine on stands

may i congratulate you on a brilliant article tap tap

even though i knew all the info to see it all in one place so well written seemed to make it all the more depressing and unfortunatley the end seems to write itself

if this was a movie people wouldnt believe it but 90% of us went with it

i didnt qualify so i am not owed money however there will be many people like myself who have gone through the expense of extending my home and purchasing a table to practice more and try and live the dream that is now a nightmare to people like the rocket.
 
Mr. Dolan,

Nice piece. I believe there might have been one small error there but I am not sure. Didn't Trudeau first mention Ho Interactive at the Vegas tournament? Or did he just allude to some 'mega deal'?

I appreciate the line, "in a gold rush who sweats the price of a pick and shovel". I also found the line about Trudeau describing a pile of horse manure as negotiations for a pony pretty funny. That was in this thread.

Such a shame.
 
jay helfert said:
All good thoughts, but one problem remains. The money must come from somewhere. Idle promises do not a tour make.

Why not up the entry fees to pro events!! How many pros around the globe would be willing to pay $ 2000 entry fee? 256 x $ 2000=512,000!!! We have seen lots pay that for a qualifier! Why not a bigger tournament format!
 
jay helfert said:
Jam,

With all due respect, the "critics" did not cause the demise of the IPT. Kevin Trudeau did!

Obviously!

Strangely, the biggest lie that KT told the players is one of the least talked about. He told them that he'd market them, in part, by arranging lucrative appearances for them, suggesting that they'd all be making a lot of money per appearance, ensuring both a substantial income and enhanced name recognition.

KT's miscalculated that that Mike Sigel was a big draw, and that he would still be the player to beat upon any assembly of the world's most elite players. Perhaps these miscalculations contributed to his taking the marketing of the "true stars" of pool so lightly.

One very fundamental truth of business is paramount in the ashes of this broken dream:

A business that spends all its money on product development and nearly nothing on marketing is doomed to failure.

This is obvious to a first year business student, to any entrepreneur or business proprietor, and to most others......and yet, KT made this unusually elementary error in managing the IPT.

What blows my mind is that some feel KT is leaving some kind of positive legacy in his wake. KT has not advanced pool's business model one iota and only time we will tell whether he's put the fear of God in others that might have invested heavily in pool and its productions down the road.

He has given the players just one more reason to distrust future pool proprietors, and this comes at the worst possible moment for our sport. He has humiliated the players, not just by lying to them and by stiffing them on moneys due, but by continually failing to communicate with them, and making sure that others in his organization took the same disgraceful path.
 
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I've read a few comments about snooker being successful on TV while pool has failed & I keep coming back to some discussions between myself & friends years ago.

Our thoughts were that the standard of snooker that is televised is way beyond that you see in most snooker halls. It takes a lot of concentration, talent & a little luck to make the big breaks. Not many will ever get close to achieving that.

Now pool on the other hand, most people look at it & think they can do that when they play. So many more people play pool & can win games so they're not so impressed by what they see.

Of course, the average person really wouldn't stand a chance against a pro pool player but it just doesn't look so impressive seeing a guy run out 8 or 9 balls when you compare that to a 147 break! I think the majority of folks who do watch pool on TV are hardcore fans who can appreciate the skill involved in the game. What the game needs is to find a way to catch the interest of all the casual fans out there.

I'm sure there is a way to do that, but I'm damned if I know what it is.
 
I just saw the Laurance Pool Party last night.

It was more lively than a standard tournament recording. The program did seem like it was in its infancy.

And the players did seem concerned about being politically correct.
 
Corporate Records

Mr. Dolan -- Enjoyed your piece. Fair and balanced, and I don't mean that as an insult or as a bouquet to a certain faux news channel.

But I had to laugh when Trudeau claimed he could keep his corporate records private. Because you're a journalist, I expect you'd know this, but I'll say it anyway:

Find out what state the IPT incorporated in. Check with the secretary of state for all corporate filings. Those will include (at minimum) names of all corporate officers. Most likely this info is online. Finding out who's in bed with Trudeau would go a long way in judging his intentions -- just in case anyone has doubts, despite his record of chicanery.

At bare minimum, the reporting for the story should have included comments from Trudeau's corporate enablers. Maybe you could "expand" the story and post it here. You'd be paid in respect from AZB posters -- and what journalist today doesn't need a dose of respect?

Good luck.

9BP
 
that post about Dolan being paid in respect is distasteful.

It appears Mr. Dolan opted to do a piece on the IPT. Personally I commend Dolan on his IPT piece because it unravels like a horror novel in 1500 words or less.

Just the mere idea you think he'd be motivated by AZ respect is laughable. The man is a professional those uncarefully placed remarks could go a long way in how a writer interprets it.

I am anticipating his next release on the IPT story because when I finished reading it I felt no closure.
 
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9BallPaul said:
Mr. Dolan -- Enjoyed your piece. Fair and balanced, and I don't mean that as an insult or as a bouquet to a certain faux news channel.

But I had to laugh when Trudeau claimed he could keep his corporate records private. Because you're a journalist, I expect you'd know this, but I'll say it anyway:

Find out what state the IPT incorporated in. Check with the secretary of state for all corporate filings. Those will include (at minimum) names of all corporate officers. Most likely this info is online. Finding out who's in bed with Trudeau would go a long way in judging his intentions -- just in case anyone has doubts, despite his record of chicanery.

At bare minimum, the reporting for the story should have included comments from Trudeau's corporate enablers. Maybe you could "expand" the story and post it here. You'd be paid in respect from AZB posters -- and what journalist today doesn't need a dose of respect?

Good luck.

9BP

9BP,

I laughed too at a number of Trudeau's quotes. And you're right--it's possible to prove (or disprove) the veracity of most of them.

I only used about 10% of the research I did for the IPT piece. If I'd had more space, I could have indeed chronicled every aspect of Trudeau's business affairs. I may write a book about the demise of the IPT, but the part I'd like to write about has less to do with Trudeau and more to do with the players. The players put their hopes in this guy even though they KNEW Trudeau's past, and even though his past behavior seemed to be repeating itself.

J.D.
 
Great article, thanks alot!

I feel badly for these players. Especially some of the foreign players who flew in from across the world, put up the money to stay at the Venetian and probably put their lives on hold while they trained for this tour. Talk about a brutal wallop in the gut they got.

Some of the players called this right from the beginning. David Grossman in St Augustine told me Jan 2005 that this was going to end badly with everyone getting bent over by Trudeau. Lots of posters like Macguy went out of their way to tell folks Trudeau was a crook and not to be trusted. I think to many people just wanted to believe it could happen. I know I was one of them.

I hope I live to see the day live pool is watched in primetime, with prize money that makes people gasp in awe.
 
9BallPaul said:
...Find out what state the IPT incorporated in.....

9BP

It is no secret and indeed it has been mentioned in IPT threads on this website many times before,that the IPT is incorporated in Delaware.What can be found out about IPT from the Delaware authorities by a member of the public is qute another matter;)
 
J.D. Dolan said:
I only used about 10% of the research I did for the IPT piece.

Mr. Dolan,

Were you able to interview Deno Andrews or Mike Seigel?

I am wondering if Deno Andrews is still drawing a check from KT. The hypocracy of him drawing a check and somehow not being held responsible as a part of this is disappointing.
 
I think the article was a great one.
I had my worst season to date as a pro pool player in 2006. The IPT came along and as a pro pool player I had to try and follow this IPT circus.
I wish Mr Andrews and Mr Sigel had been interviewed as they have misled the pool world every bit as much as KT, Mike the Mouth has never been this quiet in his life, Deno has realy got no leg to stand on as he has openly lied about the IPT ongoings.
I feel this tour is finshed. How can they possibly try to repair the Damage they have done.I for one will vote against it.
Tony
 
J.D. Dolan said:
9BP,

I laughed too at a number of Trudeau's quotes. And you're right--it's possible to prove (or disprove) the veracity of most of them.

I only used about 10% of the research I did for the IPT piece. If I'd had more space, I could have indeed chronicled every aspect of Trudeau's business affairs. I may write a book about the demise of the IPT, but the part I'd like to write about has less to do with Trudeau and more to do with the players. The players put their hopes in this guy even though they KNEW Trudeau's past, and even though his past behavior seemed to be repeating itself.

J.D.

And it was not just the players who put their faith and time into supporting Trudeau. It was room owners such as Mr. Babineau, Nine Ball Paul, who run successful businesses. It was long standing members of the industry, and long time supporters of players and the game who lost a lot of credibility standing up for Trudeau despite his past and his overhyped "vision". The IPT stood for hope that diehard pool fans would finally see their sport be taken seriously by the public.

Mr Dolan, may I suggest that your book be about the game of pool, in all it's iterations, and that Trudeau and the IPT be but a chapter?
 
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Da Poet said:
Mr. Dolan,

Were you able to interview Deno Andrews or Mike Seigel?

I am wondering if Deno Andrews is still drawing a check from KT. The hypocracy of him drawing a check and somehow not being held responsible as a part of this is disappointing.

I talked to Deno Andrews twice by telephone, and even that was a major effort, since he seemed to working hard to duck me. When I did finally talk to him, he seemed to be parroting Trudeau's words (and logic). Deno also said he'd get back to me with information that I needed, and he never followed through on that. You can tell a lot about somebody who does or does not keep his word.

I don't know if Deno's still drawing a salary, but I'd have to guess that he is.

I know Mike Sigel is (or was, as of mid-December, when I interviewed by telephone). Actually, "interview" makes it sound like I was having some sort of give-and-take with him. I didn't. Mike Sigel talked AT me for almost an hour, during which time he told me that he and Trudeau had gone fishing after the Reno tournament, and that he was still on salary--which he said he needed, because he drives a Ferrari, wears two thousand dollar suits, and drops hundreds of dollars at dinners several times a week.

Unfortunately, the magazine had already gone to press--and, besides that (as I've mentioned before but I hope people really understand this), I was only contracted to write a two thousand word piece. At the outset, I told the magazine that I wanted to write a five thousand word piece. I went with Details and the two thousand word limit because I wanted this story to get out to a wider audience.

The magazine was anxious to get this out there in a hurry because if anybody else covered it first, they'd probably have to kill the piece. If I'd had my way, I would have waited to see how it all played out.

J.D.
 
J.D. Dolan said:
Mike Sigel talked AT me for almost an hour, during which time he told me that he and Trudeau had gone fishing after the Reno tournament, and that he was still on salary--which he said he needed, because he drives a Ferrari, wears two thousand dollar suits, and drops hundreds of dollars at dinners several times a week.
J.D.
Could someone explain why MS would point these things out?
 
writers can be so much fun to listen to.

They sure are thought provoking as noted by above example.

MS might point them out because he is a bragging machine. Thats why he is known as Mike the mouth and not Mike the amazing pool player.
 
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justnum said:
writers can be so much fun to listen to.

They sure are thought provoking as noted by above example.

MS might point them out because he is a bragging machine. Thats why he is known as Mike the mouth and not Mike the amazing pool player.
Thanks Justnum, that could make sense.
I just found it puzzling when I read it, because I would have thought at his age and from his long career, that he wouldn't have a need for money for such things. I would have assumed he would have a car, suits, etc paid for, money in savings/investments, etc, rather than saying he needed it for these. And with his fellow players still being owed, I just didn't understand his point while in an interview about IPT.
 
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