IPT Failure?

Dr. Dissent

Dr. Dissent

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Hmmm, looks like the IPT is beginning to fail......

The first five qualification tournaments starting tomorrow have shown that the IPT better start doing the "real thing" before it all collapses on them.

Six players showed up at Jillian's in Cleveland Heights.
Ten players at Jillian's, North Carolina.
Eight players at Magoo's, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Seventeen at Las Vegas Cue Club.
Ten players at Pro Tyme Billiards, Chicago.

The IPT Press release indicates that "IPT Founder Kevin Trudeau is so excited and happy for the players competing this weekend. Kevin stated earlier that "this is exactly what these tournaments are supposed to be- local talent stepping up and winning their way onto the IPT."

I really don't know how on Earth can Trudeau and Deno be so happy about this turnout, and why would they want to publish such failures and be so optimistic about them.

Could this be the beginning of the end for the IPT?
 
I don't know.

But keep in mind its alot of money to put down for one opportunity. It's not like the tour card qualifiers where it led to playing in all of the tournaments. These guys playing are the ones who truly feel they can do well.

But like I said I don't know. Perhaps Kevin and Deno did not expect to have fields of 50-100 players qualifying for the tournaments.

I wouldn't searching for the IPT obituaries in the paper just because there aren't huge fields of players.

The IPT will fail when it doesn't turn a profit and no one is watching the shows put on tv.
 
Do you know why you didn't get paid $100k doing the first job you had? It's because you hadn't proven your worth by either going to school or gaining practical experience by taking lesser jobs.

The IPT has to EARN the respect of the players, pool rooms and everyone else involved. How's about you congratulate them on not hiding or padding the player roster and attendance?

I am not for or against the IPT, but it seems that bashing them after the first few events isn't cool. The guy who invented Kentucky Fried Chicken had to go to something like 200+ banks before he got a loan to open his first store. I am sure there were people thinking he was crazy for hanging onto it so long, but guess what? He made it and he made it big.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I don't know.

But keep in mind its alot of money to put down for one opportunity.
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It depends on how you look at it. I know a few players who will gamble that much in one night for the chance to win $1000....These guys are going for a much bigger payoff. I was at the NC event all day today and will be back tomorrow. They guys that are there are having a pretty good time. Two are going to end up in the Vegas event, 4 more are going to get paid entry into another qualifier, and the rest still have a chance if they can win a race to 10 against Grady. Better odds than an even match-up.
Sam, Stevie, Louie all looked great today. Tomorrow should bring some very interesting matches.
You can see the charts for all the events this weekend at www.internationalpooltour.com if you want to follow the action. They are keeping them updated as each match is concluded.
Steve
 
Fart sniffer said:
Do you know why you didn't get paid $100k doing the first job you had? It's because you hadn't proven your worth by either going to school or gaining practical experience by taking lesser jobs.

The IPT has to EARN the respect of the players, pool rooms and everyone else involved. How's about you congratulate them on not hiding or padding the player roster and attendance?

I am not for or against the IPT, but it seems that bashing them after the first few events isn't cool. The guy who invented Kentucky Fried Chicken had to go to something like 200+ banks before he got a loan to open his first store. I am sure there were people thinking he was crazy for hanging onto it so long, but guess what? He made it and he made it big.
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You need to read Harlend Sanders bio. That is not how he started his business. In fact he really didn't do all that well considering the scale the business reached. He foolishly sold out allowing them the rights to his name and likeness. He made only like 3 million dollars when it was all said and done. Later he was even sued by KFC when he publicly said how bad the food was. He ended up opening another restaurant using his wife's name since he didn't even own the rights to his own anymore. He is actually a pretty good example of how you can get screwed in business. I doubt any of his descendants get anything from the company he founded while his picture is still on the buckets.
 
The numbers are lower than might have been liked, but I doubt this is a total surprise to the IPT.

What they have achieved is developing 25 active business partners around the world and an operation procedure for running a very complex task. I think it is the base of a potentially successful model that will require ongoing tweaking.

When the broadcasting hits the air around the world, as promised, I expect the reults will be quite different and the IPT will be better prepared to externalize the benefits from that due to their efforts it setting up the operation for these preliminary qualifiers.

It would seem there hasn't been enough time or publicity to establish a lot of mini-qualifier systems to put more players through to these qualifiers at this stage. I expect more of these will develop as many players with smaller budgets show an interest in having a go.
 
You just have to find something to complain about don't you. And it is getting harder and harder isn't it.

A lot of players are in Jax right now and others are going to the 14.1 tournament. I expected about a dozen at each qualifier and that is about what they got.

There are four more weeks of qualifiers left and players are picking and choosing the spots where they have the best chance. But I'll bet a lot sure wish they went to Cleveland.

These qualifiers are only to play in the one tournament at the end of July. If the qualifier winners don't do well there then they are out. If they score big there then they will be on the IPT for 2007 - I think.

Only 55 more days until the big event.

Jake
 
macguy said:
You need to read Harlend Sanders bio. That is not how he started his business. In fact he really didn't do all that well considering the scale the business reached. He foolishly sold out allowing them the rights to his name and likeness. He made only like 3 million dollars when it was all said and done. Later he was even sued by KFC when he publicly said how bad the food was. He ended up opening another restaurant using his wife's name since he didn't even own the rights to his own anymore. He is actually a pretty good example of how you can get screwed in business. I doubt any of his descendants get anything from the company he founded while his picture is still on the buckets.
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Thank you for the correction, if I remember correctly I either heard/read about that in school, weird. Guess I have to find a new example for perseverance and success.

Thanks again.
 
pooltchr said:
It depends on how you look at it. I know a few players who will gamble that much in one night for the chance to win $1000....These guys are going for a much bigger payoff. I was at the NC event all day today and will be back tomorrow. They guys that are there are having a pretty good time. Two are going to end up in the Vegas event, 4 more are going to get paid entry into another qualifier, and the rest still have a chance if they can win a race to 10 against Grady. Better odds than an even match-up.
Sam, Stevie, Louie all looked great today. Tomorrow should bring some very interesting matches.
You can see the charts for all the events this weekend at www.internationalpooltour.com if you want to follow the action. They are keeping them updated as each match is concluded.
Steve
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Good point I didn't really think of that. But after a few shows have been aired perhaps there might be more people trying to qualify for upcoming tournaments.

I wonder how many of them went for the $500 option?
 
I don't know for a fact, but I think all my players down here went for the full payout.
Steve
 
It is like this!

Players will play and talkers will talk and bumbs will complain!
When you have to put up or shut up things get real clear and all the heroes turn into zeros real quick! For a working man like me 2000 is not much but for a poolcooch-bumb it is thier nutrock and they won't gamble with thier nuts only try to lock something up and steal!
All this was probably expected and now the cream is at the top wher it always rises!
Nick
I usually only post on the wanted section so any coments derected to me will go unnoticed by me. I just hate to see things not appreciated for what they are! And the IPT is a blessing for all the truely great players period!
 
I suspect after seeing the incentives laid out for the players who did participate, the number of entrants for future qualifiers will increase. I don't know what exactly KT was expecting in terms of participation but he surely knew it would be signifigantly less than the qualifiers for tour cards.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
Hmmm, looks like the IPT is beginning to fail......

The first five qualification tournaments starting tomorrow have shown that the IPT better start doing the "real thing" before it all collapses on them.

Six players showed up at Jillian's in Cleveland Heights.
Ten players at Jillian's, North Carolina.
Eight players at Magoo's, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Seventeen at Las Vegas Cue Club.
Ten players at Pro Tyme Billiards, Chicago.

The IPT Press release indicates that "IPT Founder Kevin Trudeau is so excited and happy for the players competing this weekend. Kevin stated earlier that "this is exactly what these tournaments are supposed to be- local talent stepping up and winning their way onto the IPT."

I really don't know how on Earth can Trudeau and Deno be so happy about this turnout, and why would they want to publish such failures and be so optimistic about them.

Could this be the beginning of the end for the IPT?
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just an accurate update, pro-tyme had 12 players and the response from the players was fantastic .as the tour proceeds on the following will grow, i feel very confident in this, we had tv coverage and papper coverage and the growth or the tour has started.
 
I don't care what anybody says, the IPT event in July is going to have some amazing pool being played. If the finals are a close match, its going to be the biggest thing in pool in years.

Just the qualifiers alone are loaded with talent. Maybe the IPT will eventually fade away but I'm already happy to have some exciting events coming up.

Beats the hell out of the 7-ball junk on TV half the time.
 
All the players I spoke with in Raleigh were very positive about the qualifying system. The ones that got in on this round were the lucky ones. I suspect the fields will get tougher as we move forward.
Steve
 
jjinfla said:
You just have to find something to complain about don't you. And it is getting harder and harder isn't it.
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Ooh ooh ooh. I have a complaint! Those periods should be question marks! :p ;)
 
I don't see anything terribly negative in the relatively small turnouts for these qualifiers.

I see the vast qualifier system that the IPT is putting together (inclusive of the fifty qualifiyng spots that will be made available at the end of this tour year) as a great strength of this tour. Over the long haul, this qualifier system will ensure that the truly worthy get their shots at playing on this tour, and that serves both the fans and the players well.

Nobody knows how this tour will do, but if it succeeds, I believe the rapidly developing qualifier system will prove a great asset to the IPT.

I'm more inclined to celebrate how many qualifiers there are than to bemoan the modest turnouts.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
Hmmm, looks like the IPT is beginning to fail......

The first five qualification tournaments starting tomorrow have shown that the IPT better start doing the "real thing" before it all collapses on them.

Six players showed up at Jillian's in Cleveland Heights.
Ten players at Jillian's, North Carolina.
Eight players at Magoo's, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Seventeen at Las Vegas Cue Club.
Ten players at Pro Tyme Billiards, Chicago.

The IPT Press release indicates that "IPT Founder Kevin Trudeau is so excited and happy for the players competing this weekend. Kevin stated earlier that "this is exactly what these tournaments are supposed to be- local talent stepping up and winning their way onto the IPT."

I really don't know how on Earth can Trudeau and Deno be so happy about this turnout, and why would they want to publish such failures and be so optimistic about them.

Could this be the beginning of the end for the IPT?
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In case you didn't notice, your point wasn't very well received. While there may be some concern, it is premature to say it is beginning to fail. As noted, most all ventures have some growing pains and yet become very successfull. It is fair to note what you said about the lack of attendance, but you can see that your judgemental approach pissed off a few people. This forum would receive better an inquiry on what people thought of the turnout, then the responses would be on point, and not on you.

Myself, I think it is a little curious that the turnout was low, but this is a very large venture that is just beginning and so lets wait, and hope, to see if it is as advertised. As pointed out, there may be many rational reasons for the turnout. I applaud their honesty. The government should be so honest to us. I surely hope that it is very successfull as I have know too many very talented players that should of had, or have better lives.

My 2c
 
Another consideration is that the first round happened to be held on a holiday weekend, and a weekend that many schools held graduation ceremonies. Many players may have had conflicts with family plans, and decided to hold off for some of the other qualifiers scheduled in June.
Steve
 
Any changes? I don't see them....

Dr. Dissent said:
Hmmm, looks like the IPT is beginning to fail......

The first five qualification tournaments starting tomorrow have shown that the IPT better start doing the "real thing" before it all collapses on them.

Six players showed up at Jillian's in Cleveland Heights.
Ten players at Jillian's, North Carolina.
Eight players at Magoo's, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Seventeen at Las Vegas Cue Club.
Ten players at Pro Tyme Billiards, Chicago.

The IPT Press release indicates that "IPT Founder Kevin Trudeau is so excited and happy for the players competing this weekend. Kevin stated earlier that "this is exactly what these tournaments are supposed to be- local talent stepping up and winning their way onto the IPT."

I really don't know how on Earth can Trudeau and Deno be so happy about this turnout, and why would they want to publish such failures and be so optimistic about them.

Could this be the beginning of the end for the IPT?
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IPT allegedly sold, poor turnout to qualifiers, no sponsor, no money, no answers, no apologies, broken promises, shattered dreams, and NO IPT by the end of the year.....
 
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