IPT night -- a review from being there
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Karl had 5 weeks notice on this. if he was jet-lagged it was his fault for not being professional enough to take this match seriously. Tony played on 1 day's notice. (and won!) You know what that says about him? He's a total professional, all-day, every day.RunoutalloverU said:
lodini said:
19 Boyes, Karl $50,905
57 Robles, Tony $21,940
THIS WEEK:RunoutalloverU said:
BOYES - $0
Robles - $5,000
Karl is a friend of mine and a great guy. The fact that he says what is on his mind is a plus in my book. At no time did I think he showed disrespect to Tony. He simply stated that he didnt think either one of them played particulary well and I agree.
They both were playing under the same conditions and Tony adapted better and won, he should be applauded for that. At the same time there is no reason to hammer on Karl because he wasn't excited about losing and gushing over the guy that beat him. He flew god knows how many hours from home with all of his friends expectations riding on him and he came up short. Give the guy a break.
As Nasty said, if you know Karl you know how good of a guy he is and that he is a class act. I would rather see someone be honest while still being respectful than go on the mic and drag out some "He played great" cliche.
To Gwapo I say "Cheers Pal" ....now get your ass to Olathe for the Midwest 9 Ball tourney and I will buy you a beer.
They both were playing under the same conditions and Tony adapted better and won, he should be applauded for that. At the same time there is no reason to hammer on Karl because he wasn't excited about losing and gushing over the guy that beat him. He flew god knows how many hours from home with all of his friends expectations riding on him and he came up short. Give the guy a break.
As Nasty said, if you know Karl you know how good of a guy he is and that he is a class act. I would rather see someone be honest while still being respectful than go on the mic and drag out some "He played great" cliche.
To Gwapo I say "Cheers Pal" ....now get your ass to Olathe for the Midwest 9 Ball tourney and I will buy you a beer.
To dignify this kind of thinking with a response...hhmmmm.... oh, what the hell. We all know that talent is not based on money won. Tony's had one heck of a year. Starting a massively successful tour in the Northeast is no small feat. Quite possibly he hasn't had the time to compete as much as he would have liked. But I think the most important thing to look at here is the two players and THIS match... one who had prep and practice time, both mental and physical... the other who agreed to participate at the last minute with the risk of reputation at hand. One thing is certain, Tony showed HEART and kicked A$$. There should be no excuses from the loser's side (the player himself OR his fans) and everyone should give credit where credit is due.RunoutalloverU said:
worldison2 said:
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lodini said:
let's also clarify the definition of "last minute" in this particular situation ...
Tony Sunday night - no knowledge of match
Tony Monday night - Still in NYC, flies out at 8:30pm!
Tony Tuesday - arrives in California, plays match same day
Also Karl is 25 and has nothing else to do but play pool. He even stated he takes 6 months of the year to screw around. Tony has 3 other business ventures to run year round.
Not that I don't think Karl is a GREAT player. I saw him play in the Vegas 10-ball event. WOW was he good! I'd never heard of him but I was impressed.
But to say Tony is an average pro is simply retarded and you're gonna get heat for it by the people who know it's ridiculous.
I get that you can't go around just stating things on this site without a LOT of explanation. Not too many people can just take things as they are, you really have to build up an argument for just about everything.
So I was basing Karl being better than Tony on Karl doing better than Tony in International 8 ball competition. I looked at Tony's profile on his website. He is an excellent player. He is one of the top pros on the East Coast.
Other than being on the Mosconi Team, I don't see that he has done much in International competition. Maybe he has done more in tournaments like the WPC, I don't know. Maybe that doesn't mean that much either. But at some point accomplishments in major international events does mean something.
And again I wish people wouldn't get all hurt when you say someone they like isn't the greatest player in the world. That seems retarded. Maybe im biased, to me International competition is the measure of a players greatness. And on an individual basis I just don't see that Tony has had much success, even if he has participated. But again he is a great U.S. player.
So I was basing Karl being better than Tony on Karl doing better than Tony in International 8 ball competition. I looked at Tony's profile on his website. He is an excellent player. He is one of the top pros on the East Coast.
Other than being on the Mosconi Team, I don't see that he has done much in International competition. Maybe he has done more in tournaments like the WPC, I don't know. Maybe that doesn't mean that much either. But at some point accomplishments in major international events does mean something.
And again I wish people wouldn't get all hurt when you say someone they like isn't the greatest player in the world. That seems retarded. Maybe im biased, to me International competition is the measure of a players greatness. And on an individual basis I just don't see that Tony has had much success, even if he has participated. But again he is a great U.S. player.
RunoutalloverU said:
I used the 3 most important words from your post. I hope you don't feel they were taken out of context. :grin:
Don't try to back-pedal now.
Go back and re-read your original post. You trashed Tony as if he were just an average nobody and Karl had an off day.
Whenever I read the words "would have", "could have", and "should have", I know it's coming from the loser's side.
You also said this was a rag-tag thrown together exhibition. How do you define rag-tag?
Ed Simmons said:
Well I dont know if Tony has had much success in the World Pool Championships. Im pretty sure he hasnt recently, but he has been around so long, I don't want to say he for sure hasn't and then have someone come up with something he did from like the early 90's or something. But I don't think he has done much, and a lack of correction up to this point, means im probably right.
And yes I believe Tony is an average pro, he is an average known pool player. I just don't see anything to the contrary. Id invite the guy over for dinner, just wouldn't put a bet on him against champion competition.
And Im not on any side, Ive never met Karl, I had absolutely no stake in the matter at all. I just think all things being equal Karl is a better player.
And how do I defind rag tag? Thrown together last minute. Now I realize the guy who was last to know won, and Alex not being able to make it was nobody's fault, however, you need two fresh prepared players in a good exhibition and one wasn't fresh, the other wasn't prepared. Since someone had to win, and given home court advantage given to Tony, he was able to win. Id take Karl in 6 in a best of 7 series.
Does Boyes play straight pool? How about an all around challenge with 10 ball, 8 ball and straight pool with Tony. I don't think he gambles but I'm sure he could find somebody to stake him...RunoutalloverU said:
unknownpro said:
i saw robles and boyes play in the ipt events and played both of them, i never meet either one before those events. but it is obvious from results and watching and playing against them that robles was a great guy and gentleman but not that great at 8 ball on ipt tables or that talented but a good solid player. on the other hand boyes break was very good and he is a better cueist and you can see real talent and confidence in him but he was a bit raw but boyes is definatly better than robles and if the ipt continued boyes would have only got better where as robles would have been making up the numbers.
boyes played bad here and had sunburn jetlag etc and has not played much lately and everyone is on his case well it was just a 5 grand exhibiton who cares, i am sure boyes had a nice free trip and loved rodeo drive
look at international results there is no comparison between these players robles steady domestic tour player against proven top international player. well done tony but dont give up your 3 other ventures just yet