IPT Rules are out

rackmsuckr

rackmsuckr

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The IPT has emailed the rules, and I felt I needed clarification on 15 of them, so I am holding out until they are finalized in my mind.

The only truly surprising rule is that we can have Cornermen (or is that cornerpersons?) talking to us during our matches! I think that is more like WWF or boxing. I am thinking distraction by whispering and pointing is going to be a form of sharking. Not that anyone needs to shark me to win, and it can actually help me win some games if I have my husband in there coaching me. But I thought we were all big boys and girls and didn't need the hand holding, so I am pretty amazed. Plus it opens up a lot of questions as to the shark aspect. People will certainly not be sitting in their chair quietly watching while you are at the table, they will be talking the whole time. The cornerman must be in dress code.

Also, if you are late, you forfeit your match.

Slow play - warning by ref, then games forfeited as penalties to one or both players. No shot clocks.

BIH placement done by hand only - no use of the cue/ferrule. Call shot, break box, CB fouls only. 8 on break is win, 8 on break and scratch or foul is loss. 5 numbered balls must hit a rail on a legal break (no safety breaks!)

Otherwise, the rules seem standard and quite forgiving.
 
rackmsuckr said:
The IPT has emailed the rules, and I felt I needed clarification on 15 of them, so I am holding out until they are finalized in my mind.

The only truly surprising rule is that we can have Cornermen (or is that cornerpersons?) talking to us during our matches! I think that is more like WWF or boxing. I am thinking distraction by whispering and pointing is going to be a form of sharking. Not that anyone needs to shark me to win, and it can actually help me win some games if I have my husband in there coaching me. But I thought we were all big boys and girls and didn't need the hand holding, so I am pretty amazed. Plus it opens up a lot of questions as to the shark aspect. People will certainly not be sitting in their chair quietly watching while you are at the table, they will be talking the whole time. The cornerman must be in dress code.

Also, if you are late, you forfeit your match.

Slow play - warning by ref, then games forfeited as penalties to one or both players. No shot clocks.

BIH placement done by hand only - no use of the cue/ferrule. Call shot, break box, CB fouls only. 8 on break is win, 8 on break and scratch or foul is loss. 5 numbered balls must hit a rail on a legal break (no safety breaks!)

Otherwise, the rules seem standard and quite forgiving.
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The corner man thing may be to try to create some human drama like in the show "American Chopper". Nothing would be better then to see some shouting between the player and coach after the match. "You idiot, I told you not to shoot that shot" as the wife breaks down in tears. Close up. Then the camera follows them back to their hotel room as it continues. What do you think, good reality TV? It actually might be pretty good even two players getting into a fight after the match caught on tape may capture the publics attention. Now we are getting somewhere, start the show.
 
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macguy said:
The corner man thing may be to try to create some human drama like in the show "American Chopper". Nothing would be better then to see some shouting between the player and coach after the match. "You idiot, I told you not to shoot that shot" as the wife breaks down in tears. Close up. Then the camera follows them back to their hotel room as it continues. What do you think, good reality TV? It actually might be pretty good even two players getting into a fight after the match caught on tape may capture the publics attention. Now we are getting somewhere, start the show.
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hehehe cant wait to be infront of my tv with a beer anc chips and watch this. :D
 
Curt said:
Is that call shot or call pocket?
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Sorry. My bad, it's call pocket. Yay, I HATE call shot, don't know how that one slipped by, must have been tired.

And maybe I will get Mike the Mouth or Keith to coach me, yammering the whole time. lol.
 
rackmsuckr said:
The IPT has emailed the rules, and I felt I needed clarification on 15 of them, so I am holding out until they are finalized in my mind.

The only truly surprising rule is that we can have Cornermen (or is that cornerpersons?) talking to us during our matches!
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There's more than one of me??? :eek:

I think this is "Mike Sigel Rule." Mike was the king of finding a "yes man" in the audience to talk to.

Fred <~~~ the Cornerman
 
Cornerman said:
The term "call shot" is "call pocket."

Fred
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What? I've always thought that call shot is how many caroms off of what balls how many rails blah blah blah.... while call pocket is just that.... eightball left corner pocket.... doesn't matter how it gets there.
 
Call Shot vs. Call-All-The-Details

Jaden said:
What? I've always thought that call shot is how many caroms off of what balls how many rails blah blah blah.... while call pocket is just that.... eightball left corner pocket.... doesn't matter how it gets there.
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There has never been a written rule in any official set of rules that ever included "call all the details."
The term "Call Shot" has always meant "Call Ball and Pocket." The most popular call shot game for decades upon decades is 14.1 (Straight Pool). 8-ball became a call shot game some time in the 80's. As of this writing, I have 5 or 6 rulebooks in my work desk drawer, dating back to the 70's. The definition of "Call Shot" is consistent: Call Ball and Pocket.

"CALL SHOT: (Pocket games) Requirement that a player designate, in
advance of each shot, the ball to be made and the pocket into which it
will be made. In calling the shot, it is NEVER necessary to indicate
details such as the number of cushions, banks, kisses, caroms, etc. The
rules of "Bank Pool" are an exception." "
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In many parts of the U.S., people will claim they play "Straight Eight," a mishmash conglomerate that uses the "Call all the details" foolery with the excuse that it somehow is a more skillful game. These people are idiots.

The confusion (call shot vs. call all the details) is due to bars on Friday nights where people make up their own rules and it spread like a disease. Their goal of course is not to make it more skillful, but instead to increase their chances of getting back to the table.

Fred
 
thanks for the clarafication....

Cornerman said:
There has never been a written rule in any official set of rules that ever included "call all the details."
The term "Call Shot" has always meant "Call Ball and Pocket." The most popular call shot game for decades upon decades is 14.1 (Straight Pool). 8-ball became a call shot game some time in the 80's. As of this writing, I have 5 or 6 rulebooks in my work desk drawer, dating back to the 70's. The definition of "Call Shot" is consistent: Call Ball and Pocket.




In many parts of the U.S., people will claim they play "Straight Eight," a mishmash conglomerate that uses the "Call all the details" foolery with the excuse that it somehow is a more skillful game. These people are idiots.

The confusion (call shot vs. call all the details) is due to bars on Friday nights where people make up their own rules and it spread like a disease. Their goal of course is not to make it more skillful, but instead to increase their chances of getting back to the table.

Fred
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I've always just said call pocket to be clear. It's been years since I played eightball though..... I guess I'm gonna have to start up again with the IPT there now.... LOL
 
I still

would like to make a Vbet on what percentage
of the men players will wear a turtleneck in lieu
of a long sleeved button down shirt ... lol
 
I wouldn't bet against you Scott! LOL However, I will bet that there will be ZERO fighting at any of these events. Kevin Trudeau's aim is to bring UP the image of the sport, for t.v....hence the dress codes, and time limits, etc.
You can bet there will be a strict prohibition on emotional "meltdowns", and swearing too...another good thing, imo. I watched the finals of a big tourney here in MT last night, between the favorite (the local 'pro', who went through undefeated), playing one of the Salt Lake pros, who would have to beat him twice to win (the challenger was last year's winner). The local guy made a couple of critical errors, and had a meltdown right in front of everyone! It cost him the first set, and with a few more errors, cost him the tournament, when he lost the 2nd set hill-hill. The winner made a fantastic bank shot to win the tournament. He, btw, kept his cool throughout, even though he made some errors too!

I can't wait to see how the IPT shakes out!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Continuing with mirroring the PGA, it's probably meant to mimic the role of the caddy. Personally I think it's kind of dumb...unless I had Cheech Marin in my corner like Costner did in Tin Cup.

Or better yet if I had Cheech Marin like Don Johnson did in Nash Bridges.

Check that...I think I'd prefer Cheech Marin, friend of Tommy Chong a la Cheech & Chong. Now we're talking. No drug testing please.

Is there any question that Cheech is the greatest cornerman of all time? Sorry Mickey. Sorry Fred.
 
They need to stipulate

for the men that NO white socks are to be worn
with dark pants and dark shoes. That always looks
so tacky and juvenile.
 
rackmsuckr said:
CB fouls only
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What a waste of time and a waste of an opportunity. As I have said before, and will continue saying, I feel that CB fouls only is a lazy way of playing. All ball fouls should have been adopted for the IPT.

Just my opinion on this one.
 
Snapshot9 said:
for the men that NO white socks are to be worn
with dark pants and dark shoes. That always looks
so tacky and juvenile.
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You have THOSE for an avatar and are complaining about other people being tacky and juvenile? (In case he goes and changes it in the future I've attached it for "reference" purposes.)
 

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Cornerman said:
The term "call shot" is "call pocket."

Fred
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in this sense "call-shot" is referred to as calling all kisses and banks as well as calling the pocket.

John
 
Cornerman said:
Great. Just great.
:mad:

Fred
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No, I meant in the sense of the difference between the idiot's bar rules and real rules. In the IPT it's call pocket/call shot in the sense that you designate the ball and pocket and it's good no matter how it gets there.

I just read the rules and they seem pretty straightforward. I can definitely see some room for argument on some of them.

One thing I hope to see, which doesn't appear to be the case, is a referee for every table and every match. Every serious sport has a referee presiding over every match. Pool should be no different and for the money that is being played for there should be no need to call a referee for anything. He/she should BE THERE for every shot and every instance. That would make about five of the IPT rules unneeded and avoid almost all disputes.

The other thing that was not addressed in the rules is stalemates. This occurs frequently in eight ball. When there is a cluster that neither player is willing to break up because to do so would be a loss. IN BCA rules I think there is a rule that allows for a new game when there is a stalemate.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
No, I meant in the sense of the difference between the idiot's bar rules and real rules.
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Oh good. I thought you were saying that the IPT is using bar call-all-the-details.

nevermind.

Fred
 
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