ipt sigel vs schmidt proved what

[Shawn Armstrong]

John,
I think you meant Mike Eufemia, not Mike Carella. Eufemia was a 14.1 specialist. Carella, who was murdered on Jan 29, 1979, was a 9 ball specialist.

Crane's HR is 359. That's from multiple sources, including himself. The one w/ the "alleged" HR in the 7's was Arthur "Babe" Cranfield. It was never substantiated. The highest "official" run for Cranfield is 423, still great by any standard.

Also, I sent you a PM about a month ago re: Chao. I found out that several of my PM's, although sent, never arrived. I also never got some during that same stretch that were sent. Did you see it?

The only players I know of that have runs higher than 400 are:
Mike Euphemia (600+)
Willie Mosconi (500+)
Thomas Engert (491)
John Schmidt (403)
Thorsten Hohmann (don't know ball count)

Are there any more? I think Sigel said his high run was 353, or somewhere in that range. So, as far as I know, 4 people have run more that 400. That's a pretty smal group - I say that proves a lot.

 

[john schmidt]

Hi Jason

eQUOTE=Jason Robichaud]I haven't been riding anyone here. John Schmidt and I don't agree on some things, but that is no different than most posters/members posting. Posting money doesn't make you great. Hate to pop your little bubble. If it does, then Fatboy is the greatest player. What I said is, on paper Mike was the greater player and won. JS had great runs practicing, but that doesn't mean much when it is tournament time. You can't take that 400 with you. Efren is a great player, he proved it year after year. JS hasn't. Tell me how many years you can find him in the top 20 money list on AZ. You will find some great players there finishing in the top 20 year after year. Thats why they are great.

Would I want to play JS for all my cash, NO. If I had to pick from the following Efren, Alex, Johnny, Earl, Thorsten, Mika, Wu, Shane or JS to gamble with and hope for a chance to win... who would you pick? Give me a list of wins other than the U.S open or a practice 400 to prove my point!!!

you asked for wins other than usopen.


for the record ive won over 30 titles in 8ball,9ball,onehole,14.1,10ball.ive ran many runs over 100 against great players for big money on tough tables.ive run over 200 37 times in my spare time as im really a 9ball player including 2 runs in the 400s.furthermore i play a very limited schedule for many reasons and have played on the tour for only five years .resume includes usopen ,200plusman field 40,000 first place
reno open 200 plus field 12,000 first place.
canadian event 64 field 5000 first place.
canadian event 112 field 20,000 first place.
legends of 14.1 4000 first.
viking 10ball open 64 field all champions 4500 first.
mobile classic 128 man field 13000 first place .
played 4 fl tour events won 2 of them 64 man field 3500 first.
5 time emerald coast champ 60-90 players many pros invovled 1700 first each time.
also have won many tourneys on tours like pechaur tour,tiger tour,mcdermott tour ,fl tour,many independant events ranging from 1000 to 10,000.
thats my tourney resume off the top of my head and im forgetting wins for sure.
lets not forget ive gambled with many world class players even at all games and believe me ive held my own.in closing jason im not saying im the best and im sure your a decent guy.but in the future maybe you could cut me a little slack as im doing the best i can in pool. maybe you and i will end up friends someday its more fun than us insulting each other. take care

 

[JB Cases]

John,
I think you meant Mike Eufemia, not Mike Carella. Eufemia was a 14.1 specialist. Carella, who was murdered on Jan 29, 1979, was a 9 ball specialist.

Crane's HR is 359. That's from multiple sources, including himself. The one w/ the "alleged" HR in the 7's was Arthur "Babe" Cranfield. It was never substantiated. The highest "official" run for Cranfield is 423, still great by any standard.

Also, I sent you a PM about a month ago re: Chao. I found out that several of my PM's, although sent, never arrived. I also never got some during that same stretch that were sent. Did you see it?

Right, Mike Eufemia.

I will look for your PMs

John

 

[Jason Robichaud]

eQUOTE=Jason Robichaud]I haven't been riding anyone here. John Schmidt and I don't agree on some things, but that is no different than most posters/members posting. Posting money doesn't make you great. Hate to pop your little bubble. If it does, then Fatboy is the greatest player. What I said is, on paper Mike was the greater player and won. JS had great runs practicing, but that doesn't mean much when it is tournament time. You can't take that 400 with you. Efren is a great player, he proved it year after year. JS hasn't. Tell me how many years you can find him in the top 20 money list on AZ. You will find some great players there finishing in the top 20 year after year. Thats why they are great.

Would I want to play JS for all my cash, NO. If I had to pick from the following Efren, Alex, Johnny, Earl, Thorsten, Mika, Wu, Shane or JS to gamble with and hope for a chance to win... who would you pick? Give me a list of wins other than the U.S open or a practice 400 to prove my point!!!

you asked for wins other than usopen.


for the record ive won over 30 titles in 8ball,9ball,onehole,14.1,10ball.ive ran many runs over 100 against great players for big money on tough tables.ive run over 200 37 times in my spare time as im really a 9ball player including 2 runs in the 400s.furthermore i play a very limited schedule for many reasons and have played on the tour for only five years .resume includes usopen ,200plusman field 40,000 first place
reno open 200 plus field 12,000 first place.
canadian event 64 field 5000 first place.
canadian event 112 field 20,000 first place.
legends of 14.1 4000 first
mobile classic 128 man field 13000 first place .
played 4 fl tour events won 2 of them 64 man field 3500 first.
5 time emerald coast champ 60-90 players many pros invovled 1700 first each time.
also have won many tourneys on tours like pechaur tour,tiger tour,mcdermott tour ,fl tour,many independant events ranging from 1000 to 10,000.
thats my tourney resume off the top of my head and im forgetting wins for sure.
lets not forget ive gambled with many world class players even at all games and believe me ive held my own.in closing jason im not saying im the best and im sure your a decent guy.but in the future maybe you could cut me a little slack as im doing the best i can in pool. maybe you and i will end up friends someday its more fun than us insulting each other. take care

John, I was just listing results to a guy saying you are greatest player. Wasn't trying to insult anyone unlike the other dude. I looked at world events and used them for my list. You didn't get ranked number one based on finishes... its just fact not insult. He could have used anyone not in the top 3 and I would have said the same. I am a very dry person and it looks worst than it is intended. I don't have a dimmer switch, its on or off, right or wrong.

If you have time, 14.1 in order, who would you have in your top 5...

 

[justin.powell]

I don't think there is any doubt in my mind that both players in this match are great players. I for one thought the outcome was going to be different. I think it proved that there is some interest in the IPT.

 

[markgw]

I don't really care if this match proved anything. I got to go see my favorite modern day player and friend John play and my favorite days of old player Mike Sigel play. It was a great match but ofcourse I would like the game to be longer. I am really wondering why since John is now the TAR all around champion why no one has stepped up to challenge him including Harriman. He went to Kansas and beat Danny and the deal was he was suppose to have to play John on his home court. But now since he backed out I would love to see Sigel Schmidt match-up since the offer is to any American player in the country. I can't believe it's taking so long for someone to step up and play the all around champion John Schmidt in Stright Pool, One Pocket and 10 Ball.

 

[Poolplaya9]

ipt sigel vs schmidt proved what...<snipped>

It proved that I enjoy watching the pro's play (for free!), even when the format or prize fund is not perfect...

 

[markgw]

I agree with some of the things you said. But John showed alot of heart in the match I went to see in Kansas against Harriman. After Danny beat him in the straight pool match the first day he could have easily come back in day 2 in the one pocket and thrown him the give up stroke. But hill hill and needing 10 balls he finds a way to win. Then comes back on day 3 and drills him 30 to 18 in 10 ball. So at least give him credit for a heart of a champion. With 18k riding on the match with the 2 guys I was with only that shows something to me. He can win from anywhere.

 

[markgw]

Jason now post your record ;=)

 

[markgw]

sigel

waiting for mike to call! john is the all around champ! mike my number is 1-605-310-4760! its always on! would be a great match for you to come out of "retirement"

I would love to see this match!!

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Jason now post your record ;=)

The minute someone starts calling me the greatest living player in any sport, I will be very quick to post my record and prove them wrong.

I have only played in 3 U.S. events. My best finish was in the money at turning stone. I might start playing more this upcoming year. Try to get something worth posting here. I did state that I wouldn't want to play JS with my $$.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

The minute someone starts calling me the greatest living player in any sport, I will be very quick to post my record and prove them wrong.

I have only played in 3 U.S. events. My best finish was in the money at turning stone. I might start playing more this upcoming year. Try to get something worth posting here. I did state that I wouldn't want to play JS with my $$.

Reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit, Jason. I said he was top 3 in the world playing 14.1. Of the list of guys you left for me to compare John to, only Hohmann would match up well against John in a long race format. If you want to back any of the other players you put on the list for big $$, the wicket is open. John has an open challenge out in the all around - I don't see any of your players stepping up to claim what should be "easy money", according to you.

Clowns like you are the reason pro players don't like talking with board members. We should be so lucky as to have guys like John contributing to our board. You, however, feel the need to needle the guy every time he posts something regarding him looking for action or commenting on his level of play.

 

[Dan Harriman]

This is to answer markgw - I will not play John again in any future exhibitions unless I am guaranteed $. Yes he is a great player but on the other hand he is a Mr. know it all type, I have run into people like him before. You see up untill a month before our match John was talking about how we would both make $ and how everything would be just like it was in Louisville including the saver that was his idea in Louisville. When we talked over the rules on the phone less than a month from the rematch he said that there would be no saver and yes I did ask him about that cause it was his original idea in Louisville. So all of the sudden we are not both guaranteed to make $, he is a mover and a shaker - the reason he pulls these moves ie not remembering the rules 9-9 in the one pocket, banging into my cue - not saying excuse me, using profanity and unsportsmanlike conduct towards his opponent - is to pump himself up into disliking his opponent cause when he does that he feels it makes him play better. Maybe he genuinly dislikes me - I think it is a combo of both, I forgive John for acting like he did. When he banged his cue into mine it nearly knocked my cue out of my hands (and did not say excuse me) this may have been what cracked my ferrule. I have been working on my 10 ball game and am playing much better, I was upset that I had to use a different cue and I do think it affected my game in the ten ball. I am certainly not scared of John Scmidt. Ohh forgot to spell his name correctly like he forgot to shake my hand but he is a great player who thinks he's too good for me, but this does not make him the better player. So he does not like me well point taken John, you can tell your buddy Scmidtty 'never underestimate medeocraty' and the reason he pull's those moves is cause he is shaking. My backer says John can play the same game once a week here in KC for the rest of his life, so mark if you want to back John without the phony jump cues here in KC again than I guess I will take John's verbal abuse (which is more difficult than his game) and try him some more.There would be one condition - we would have to wear microphones so that if John decided to start one of his moves (arguing to throw off his opponents game and or name calling) the people at home can see how weak he is and be able to understand the difference between trash talk and verbal slander. I Do think John has alot of heart and desire to win but I am not conviced he's a champion. If Larry learns how to play 14.1 and can control his temper he will defeat John in my opinion and little Alex Pagulyon will also win - these two fellas' don't have to try to shark their opponent they win naturally. As far as Mike Sigel and John they are two peas in a pod and should travel around together - I will play John more ten ball heads up as I do think I can play better than in our last match. I was raddled from the verbal abuse from him and my ferrule cracking - now that I know what to expect I will try a little harder. You will allway's have action here in MO Shmidtty.

Danny Harriman

 

[markgw]

Hopefully one day you guys can bury the hatchet and match up again. That has to go down as one of the most exciting matches I've seen. Your a great player Danny and I respect your game big time! Good luck in your future matches. P.S. you don't need to have an excuse for losing Danny nobody can win 'em all. Block everything out except the table and I'm sure you will have continued success. Peace Out...........Markgw

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit, Jason. I said he was top 3 in the world playing 14.1. Of the list of guys you left for me to compare John to, only Hohmann would match up well against John in a long race format. If you want to back any of the other players you put on the list for big $$, the wicket is open. John has an open challenge out in the all around - I don't see any of your players stepping up to claim what should be "easy money", according to you.

Clowns like you are the reason pro players don't like talking with board members. We should be so lucky as to have guys like John contributing to our board. You, however, feel the need to needle the guy every time he posts something regarding him looking for action or commenting on his level of play.

Reading comprehension is great. It would be a solid 300 run in 14.1... I can even comprehend you changing your statements.... "if JS isn't your #1 or #2 pick"... Blah blah helmet fits. So you are saying he is 1st or worst 2nd. You are not correct with this statement. You later posted he is top 3.... No he isn't... I figure at this rate, you will have him ranked about the same as I do in about 3 more weeks. Top 10! You stated Sigel was a 14.1 champion, that is correct. Did JS win the world or even U.S 14.1 championship??? I couldn't find it. Post a link. I will wear the helmet if there is anything left to it when you get done.

 

[cad1illac]

400 run.....on what ?

Highest run in Sigel's era (Mosconi aside) was under 400. Today, we have 3 players on the world stage running 400+. To me, that's a sign that today's players are better than the players of the old era. Grady said this exact same thing at the end of one of his instructional videos. The 5x10s had 5" pockets, IIRC.

Was the 400 run on his home table or in comp ? If it was a home table BFD !!!

 

[PoolBum]

Highest run in Sigel's era (Mosconi aside) was under 400. Today, we have 3 players on the world stage running 400+. To me, that's a sign that today's players are better than the players of the old era.

It depends on what you mean by "today's players are better than the players of the old era."

I agree that there are more top caliber players today than in Sigel's era (say, late 70's to early 90's), but I don't think the top 14.1 players in the world today are better than Sigel or Mizerak, for example.

I would not take anyone today over either Sigel or Mizerak in their prime at 14.1.

 

[enzo]

This is to answer markgw - I will not play John again in any future exhibitions unless I am guaranteed $. Yes he is a great player but on the other hand he is a Mr. know it all type, I have run into people like him before. You see up untill a month before our match John was talking about how we would both make $ and how everything would be just like it was in Louisville including the saver that was his idea in Louisville. When we talked over the rules on the phone less than a month from the rematch he said that there would be no saver and yes I did ask him about that cause it was his original idea in Louisville. So all of the sudden we are not both guaranteed to make $, he is a mover and a shaker - the reason he pulls these moves ie not remembering the rules 9-9 in the one pocket, banging into my cue - not saying excuse me, using profanity and unsportsmanlike conduct towards his opponent - is to pump himself up into disliking his opponent cause when he does that he feels it makes him play better. Maybe he genuinly dislikes me - I think it is a combo of both, I forgive John for acting like he did. When he banged his cue into mine it nearly knocked my cue out of my hands (and did not say excuse me) this may have been what cracked my ferrule. I have been working on my 10 ball game and am playing much better, I was upset that I had to use a different cue and I do think it affected my game in the ten ball. I am certainly not scared of John Scmidt. Ohh forgot to spell his name correctly like he forgot to shake my hand but he is a great player who thinks he's too good for me, but this does not make him the better player. So he does not like me well point taken John, you can tell your buddy Scmidtty 'never underestimate medeocraty' and the reason he pull's those moves is cause he is shaking. My backer says John can play the same game once a week here in KC for the rest of his life, so mark if you want to back John without the phony jump cues here in KC again than I guess I will take John's verbal abuse (which is more difficult than his game) and try him some more.There would be one condition - we would have to wear microphones so that if John decided to start one of his moves (arguing to throw off his opponents game and or name calling) the people at home can see how weak he is and be able to understand the difference between trash talk and verbal slander. I Do think John has alot of heart and desire to win but I am not conviced he's a champion. If Larry learns how to play 14.1 and can control his temper he will defeat John in my opinion and little Alex Pagulyon will also win - these two fellas' don't have to try to shark their opponent they win naturally. As far as Mike Sigel and John they are two peads in a pod and should travel around together - I will play John more ten ball heads up as I do think I can play better than in our last match. I was raddled from the verbal abuse from him and my ferrule cracking - now that I know what to expect I will try a little harder. You will allway's have action here in MO Shmidtty.

Danny Harriman

Danny,

Respectfully, I didn't see any of this match, but i know most top players hate losing and will do things after they miss a ball or in the middle of a match unintentionally that they regret. My point being that even if everything you posted is true, you say you got rattled by him. i think you would agree that a top pro on his game should not be rattled by this type of thing. if stuff like this rattles you then i would think when you post that you should be looking forward to more of the same behavior from others, especially if they are playing to feed themselves. not condoning the behavior, but this is just how it is unfortunately.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Reading comprehension is great. It would be a solid 300 run in 14.1... I can even comprehend you changing your statements.... "if JS isn't your #1 or #2 pick"... Blah blah helmet fits. So you are saying he is 1st or worst 2nd. You are not correct with this statement. You later posted he is top 3.... No he isn't... I figure at this rate, you will have him ranked about the same as I do in about 3 more weeks. Top 10! You stated Sigel was a 14.1 champion, that is correct. Did JS win the world or even U.S 14.1 championship??? I couldn't find it. Post a link. I will wear the helmet if there is anything left to it when you get done.

Duh.

Thomas Engert has a 14.1 high run of 491. John has high runs of over 400 twice. Hohmann has a run of over 400. After that, I don't think there are any active players actually playing or alive that have runs better than that. I could care less about tourneys based on races to 150. Here's what proves to me who is the best player at straight pool. CONTINUOUS HIGH RUN. Obviously, these guys all practice. The standard by which every player has been measured is Mosconi's high run. How many world titles does he have? Back then, the field was smaller. Sigel's era, the field was bigger, but the competition wasn't as fierce as today. You're comparing the athlete of yesterday to the athlete of today. There's absolutely no comparison. The players in the rest of the world have become so good at the different games. The only game the US has a stranglehold on is 1P.

Sigel has his day. He's a great. He was by no means a favourite in the match against Schmidt. He's just lucky that the deck was stacked in his favour - slow cloth, short race. Let's get Mike in the TAR Pit for $10K of his own money, race to 1000 against Schmidt.

Set it up, TAR. Then, Jason, you and I can have a sidebet on the match?

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Duh.

Thomas Engert has a 14.1 high run of 491. John has high runs of over 400 twice. Hohmann has a run of over 400. After that, I don't think there are any active players actually playing or alive that have runs better than that. I could care less about tourneys based on races to 150. Here's what proves to me who is the best player at straight pool. CONTINUOUS HIGH RUN. Obviously, these guys all practice. The standard by which every player has been measured is Mosconi's high run. How many world titles does he have? Back then, the field was smaller. Sigel's era, the field was bigger, but the competition wasn't as fierce as today. You're comparing the athlete of yesterday to the athlete of today. There's absolutely no comparison. The players in the rest of the world have become so good at the different games. The only game the US has a stranglehold on is 1P.

Sigel has his day. He's a great. He was by no means a favourite in the match against Schmidt. He's just lucky that the deck was stacked in his favour - slow cloth, short race. Let's get Mike in the TAR Pit for $10K of his own money, race to 1000 against Schmidt.

Set it up, TAR. Then, Jason, you and I can have a sidebet on the match?

I will bet you that JS would sooner have the prize money from those short race events that mean nothing to you over the prize $$ he got for his multiple 400 runs. I think you are one of those people that would come out of a burning building and ask for a smoke! Just a guess... Until TAR becomes the world championship of 14.1, it isn't anything other than a place to win some $$. For a guy saying, "JS can't win because it's too short"??? He should be killing everyone. He only has to play 25% of his ability to win! How many won the match their first trip to the table against him in these matches.

My high run in snooker is 142, does that mean I am going to beat everyone that doesn't have a 142 run? If you don't know the answer let me help, no it doesn't. It means for 1 game during practice I shot better than the other person. 1 game! Out of thousands of games 1 game means nothing. Just like his 400+ run in a tournament. My high run playing someone 94 and in a tournament 74. Not even close to 142! So, until high runs have payouts those short race nothing events are everything.