ipt sigel vs schmidt proved what

[Jason Robichaud]

Danny,

Respectfully, I didn't see any of this match, but i know most top players hate losing and will do things after they miss a ball or in the middle of a match unintentionally that they regret. My point being that even if everything you posted is true, you say you got rattled by him. i think you would agree that a top pro on his game should not be rattled by this type of thing. if stuff like this rattles you then i would think when you post that you should be looking forward to more of the same behavior from others, especially if they are playing to feed themselves. not condoning the behavior, but this is just how it is unfortunately.

Someone almost hitting the cue from your hands and breaking the tip is a little much even for a pro... I think being a pro would be the reason someone didn't get there ass kicked. I have been to a few places and if you did this... your next thought would be, what happen and why am I in the hospital.

 

[enzo]

Someone almost hitting the cue from your hands and breaking the tip is a little much even for a pro... I think being a pro would be the reason someone didn't get there ass kicked. I have been to a few places and if you did this... your next thought would be, what happen and why am I in the hospital.

well, i didn't see any of it, so maybe i dont deserve an opinion, but i read danny say he was rattled by verbal abuse and that sounded odd to me coming from a top pro.

again, take this with a grain of salt cus i wasnt there, but if i had to guess, if john won i bet he played great and probably deserved it. in any case it would be a great rematch.

 

[jay helfert]

I just have to put my two cents in somewhere, and I guess it will be here. I saw the top 14.1 players of the Sigel era in competition on several occasions and even refereed for them. The fields in the 70's and 80's were quite deep with quality players. There was Sigel, Mizerak, Rempe, Hopkins, Varner, West, Diliberto, Martin, Lisciotti, Murphy, Margo, Butera, Cook, Fusco, Zuglan, Fleming, Hunter, Jennings, Elias, Costa, Louie, Colavita, Ervolino, Carter, Florence, Marino and Mataya. Ed Kelly, Jack Breit, Crane, Lassiter, Balsis and Larry Johnson still played in some of these tournaments as well during the 70's.

All the above (with the exception of Richie Florence who might run 100 balls backwards) were great Straight Pool players. They understood the game and knew what balls to shoot and when. They also understood proper safety play, and what shots to look for. Todays champion players have equal (or better) skills, but I'm not so sure they are better Straight Pool "players". I have also watched several matches between the top players today, and they seem to be lacking in certain areas, notably safety play and clearing the balls properly.

I am not an expert player by any means, but I have always been a good observer of pool talent. Today's champion players are brilliant but I would question whether they are better than the previous generation at this one game. Just because they can make high runs does not make them superior players. No one in the Sigel era could run more balls then Lou Butera, but was he the dominant player. No. Lou was a great player, but he also got outplayed by a few of the other guys in several matches that I either watched or refereed.

Yes, the equipment today is vastly different in many respects, but the game of 14.1 Continuous Pool is basically the same today as it was 30 years ago.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

My high run in snooker is 142, does that mean I am going to beat everyone that doesn't have a 142 run? If you don't know the answer let me help, no it doesn't. It means for 1 game during practice I shot better than the other person. 1 game! Out of thousands of games 1 game means nothing. Just like his 400+ run in a tournament. My high run playing someone 94 and in a tournament 74. Not even close to 142! So, until high runs have payouts those short race nothing events are everything.

OK. HUGE difference here. You can't keep playing at snooker. Max clearance is 147. What's the max clearance in straight? It's unlimited. So, let's say your max run in snooker is 142. Imagine that matches went to a score of 50. What do you think your chances would be to win? What if the other guy runs 50 on his first turn? This is the only comparison I can make to a guy that can run 400 (and I could care less where he does it - he'd done it twice) having to play a race to 125 against Sigel or 150 on the world stage. Sigel's career went from the 70s until 1994. Give John that many years and we'll see if he catches a championship here and there. He already has a pretty good resume.

Oh, and you mentioned that 1 game in thousands means nothing. I guess the exception for you is the one game that gets you knocked out of a tournament, right? Or, maybe the one game race to 125, where Sigel beats Schmidt? If you had to back Sigel or Schmidt with your own dime as to who would break 400 first for $100K, who are you putting your money behind? Sigel's highest run is 346. After ALL those games in his career, the highest run he could muster was 346.

Like I have said, Sigel is great. He is one of the best. But don't mistake the Sigel now for the Sigel then. He's a different dog these days. Schmidt is the favourite in this matchup, and if anyone says different, they're betting with their heart instead of their head. You'd probably back Strickland against Schmidt right now, with your nostalgic legends. Perhaps you thought Earl actually had a chance against SVB? Maybe we should put Earl in the pit with Alex? Alex only has one world title, where Strickland has multiple big tournament wins. Earl is a huge favourite, based on his past.

Quit living in the past - the future is now. Embrace it, or get run over by it. Oh, and for those saying a 400 ball run on a practice table means nothing, then you do it. If it's just that easy, then someone do it. Sigel couldn't. Hopkins couldn't.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

If it's just that easy, then someone do it. Sigel couldn't. Hopkins couldn't.

Hopkins DID do it. Just wanted to bring ya up to speed. 410.

 

[Steve Ellis]

i know a format that WILL prove who the best player is! and i am pretty sure John will play! If mikes billionaire backer will sneeze10 dimes im sure he could prove he was the better player! yes thats right schmidt vs mike in an action all around challenge! race to 400 stright pool race to 10 1 pocket and race to 30 10 ball!lets see if mike OR his backer will PM me! i would love to put this to rest! just a thought.........

I don't see the billionaire backer coughing up money for a match which will take place under the auspices of his chief competition in this field. That is TAR, the group he stole the concept from.
I'd love to see that match up though.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I don't see the billionaire backer coughing up money for a match which will take place under the auspices of his chief competition in this field. That is TAR, the group he stole the concept from.
I'd love to see that match up though.

The only one that wouldn't want to see it is Mike. He has too much to lose - money AND most importantly, damage to his enormous ego.

 

[PoolBum]

Duh.

Thomas Engert has a 14.1 high run of 491. John has high runs of over 400 twice. Hohmann has a run of over 400. After that, I don't think there are any active players actually playing or alive that have runs better than that. I could care less about tourneys based on races to 150. Here's what proves to me who is the best player at straight pool. CONTINUOUS HIGH RUN.

If high practice runs make for the best player, then either Babe Cranfield or Mike Eufemia would be the greatest straight pool player ever. Both those guys were great players, but who really believes that they were the greatest ever?

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

If high practice runs make for the best player, then either Babe Cranfield or Mike Eufemia would be the greatest straight pool player ever. Both those guys were great players, but who really believes that they were the greatest ever?

Here's my point. How do you base the best 400m runner on the planet by having 100m dashes? The race in 14.1 is to 150. That, to me, with the level of players these days is a sprint. The thoroughbred will not come through in these short races. Let's face it, 14.1 isn't going to be burning up the tube, because it isn't an interesting game to watch. But those who love it, really love it. I would like to see championships decided by races to 300. Let's really get the players going. Mike Sigel's 150 and out against Zuglan was something to behold. I would have loved to watch Mike keep going. Wouldn't everyone have wanted Mike to keep going? I think it would be great for the straight pool fans to get to watch longer races. That's when the cream would rise to the top.

What I am saying is of the currently active players in the world, Schmidt should be considered one of the top 3 in the world. Throw tournament results aside, because there aren't a lot of 14.1 events. The guys can all run 150. The only way to differentiate them after that is high runs.

My goal was not to discredit the players of yesterday. My goal was to give some props to the new guys that keep this game going. Watching Danny and John play to 400 was a treat. I wish we got to see more of this.

 

[Dan Harriman]

Ok Markgw, just know that John was out of line and that's the bottom line if Larry learns 14.1 and John decides to go up against him in the all around Larry will win. The reason is John cannot handle Larry's offensive gear and if John were to try to shark him by banging into his cue and not saying excuse me he knows that might end his career as I don't think Larry would put up with that. Please don't think I'm using this as an excuse it was John's day to win, but by not saying excuse me when he rushed in on me and nearly knocked the cue out of my hands he owes me an apolagy. I had alot of respect for John but I must say that is all in the past, he is the guy who is allway's talking about how there is no $ in pool at the tournaments (mr. negative.) Yes this is the harsh realityof men's pool today but that there is very little $ in the sport but there is a time and place for conversing that subject and the World 14.1 tourney is not it.
He is not a man of his word either when they interviewed me after I lost I should have asked John Schit to join the interview. I would have then asked him why he forgot the rules at 9-9 during the One Hole and proceeded to say I was acting like a little ***** for wanting to play by the rules in which we had gone over on the phone at least 4 different times. We argued about this for probably 5 minutes and he called me names that would get him beat up in a boxing ring. When it was his turn for the interview he was very gracious admitting he was wrong about wanting to use the pogo stick at 9-9, it's funny how know one could hear what he was saying to me during play.
John would you like to comment on this yourself as this is a public forum? I imagine we won't hear much from him on this but I think he was wrong to act the way he did. My advice to anyone who plays John is have microphones so the people at home can understand how he really is when he is under the gun.
Danny Harriman

 

[easy-e]

he called me names that would get him beat up in a boxing ring.
Danny Harriman

Dude, at least half, almost ALL of the people in a boxing ring get beat up By the way....how many accounts do you have on here?

 

[Dan Harriman]

Just one account there dude - I can tell by your avatar that your a shining example of professionalism. I don't judge people by their avatar but I am not a fan of easy E's music if you want to call it that - to me it's as close to air pollution as it can get and I don't like what it stands for. I won't bring up the issue anymore and I'm sure John is way above offering a public apolagy on this forum. For any intelligent readers out there I have learned through being a christian that it was not John talking when he said those things to me. Due to some secret society people who enjoy trying to play God - John knows some of the issues I have had in the past - which I am over now. It's human nature to judge one another and I think it makes the critics feel better about themselves to do so, there is no $ in it for John to apolagize for his behaivour so he won't I am sorry to say that's just his style. It was an evil judgmental spirit working through him that made act the way he did and I forgive him and that is that, I'm sure if the truth be known old Scmidtty has a few specs of wood in his eye also.
Over and out, Danny

 

[s0lidz]

Just one account there dude

Then who the hell is this:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/member.php?u=13172

One of these two must be an impersonator. Probably the one posting now.

 

[Dan Harriman]

I erased my account for a while due to so many negative people who lack tact - I got a new account so I could try and promote my 14.1 instructional DVD and to stay in touch with a few reasonable members who I would consider good aquintences. Let there be no doubt bulldog this is the Springfield Rifle typing, God Bless

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Just one account there dude - I can tell by your avatar that your a shining example of professionalism. I don't judge people by their avatar but I am not a fan of easy E's music if you want to call it that - to me it's as close to air pollution as it can get and I don't like what it stands for. I won't bring up the issue anymore and I'm sure John is way above offering a public apolagy on this forum. For any intelligent readers out there I have learned through being a christian that it was not John talking when he said those things to me. Due to some secret society people who enjoy trying to play God - John knows some of the issues I have had in the past - which I am over now. It's human nature to judge one another and I think it makes the critics feel better about themselves to do so, there is no $ in it for John to apolagize for his behaivour so he won't I am sorry to say that's just his style. It was an evil judgmental spirit working through him that made act the way he did and I forgive him and that is that, I'm sure if the truth be known old Scmidtty has a few specs of wood in his eye also.
Over and out, Danny

Danny, easy-e is an active duty soldier and Iraq veteran. And he was just joking with you, relax.

 

[easy-e]

Danny, easy-e is an active duty soldier and Iraq veteran. And he was just joking with you, relax.

Thanks man, that was nice of you to say. For the record, I was joking Danny, sorry if it came across wrong

Also, I am not a fan of Easy-E's music either. My name is Eric (E), and I am pretty easy to get along with (or beat at pool, whichever you like). That is where I get my name.

 

[iba7467]

Was the 400 run on his home table or in comp ? If it was a home table BFD !!!

I have to disagree here. Mosconi's run was on an exhibition table for funsies. No competition. That in no way makes it less of an accomplishment. I do agree that this probably could not happen in match play since players wouldn't want to sell out, but it is definitely a BFD.

Credit to John on his high run and ignore the naysayers. I would love to see someone beat Mosconi's number in my lifetime.

 

[gulfportdoc]

Credit to John on his high run and ignore the naysayers. I would love to see someone beat Mosconi's number in my lifetime.

I agree with you, iba. Mosconi's 526 (?) was a magnificent feat any way one slices it. Although in my view Crane's 309 on a 5x10, and Schmidt's (or anyone else's) 400+ on a 4-1/2x9 were much more impressive. I've heard Schmidt say that if he played on new cloth with 5" pockets, he could run into the many-hundred's. I believe that the top ball runners of today could better Mosconi's record on an easy 4x8; certainly in exhibition.

This topic comes up with such regularity that it ought to be given a number!:grin: But if the main pro game today were 14.1 rather than rotation games, we'd routinely see phenomenal runs.

Doc

 

[markgw]

I've heard 1 of his 400 runs was in front of 500 people at q-master billiards in Chesapeake, Virginia.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Danny, easy-e is an active duty soldier and Iraq veteran. And he was just joking with you, relax.

Thanks N, nicely said. Eric is easily one of the best members we have here.
As a side note, I told him on the phone once that he posed funny in his avatar pic. I thought he was dressed up in a bomb retardant eek: ) flight suit and was given secret signals like them dudes in the movie "Windtalkers".

Then he pointed out that was not a picture of him, it was some singer.