IQ and its relation to progression
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I don't think a high IQ has anything much to do with learning pool. Give me a guy with average smarts who is willing to practice his ass off he will win VS. The High IQ guy.
Its like saying a guy with a high IQ can learn to hit a baseball better than some average guy. Either you have hand eye coordination or you don't IQ does not help you there.
The question of where a high IQ might come into play is in planning runouts or the abilty to see safes. My 2 cents
Its like saying a guy with a high IQ can learn to hit a baseball better than some average guy. Either you have hand eye coordination or you don't IQ does not help you there.
The question of where a high IQ might come into play is in planning runouts or the abilty to see safes. My 2 cents
Edited for emphasis and reflection. :wink:
Haven't we tried this before? http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3940066&postcount=28
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My brother knows that one.
LOL its past 12 my brain has shut off for the night, but my fingers keep typing:grin:
I also think (in my limited knowledge) that the person with the higher IQ could also have the better chance of thinking himself right out of a difficult shot. I have done it before, overthink what I have to do to make a shot and just miss it by a hair.... If I, of average IQ, (ish) could and can do that, I think the odds of some one with a high IQ would be to do that more often
I think hand-eye coordination is getting too much credit here. Sort of like how a lot of people think pool requires math/geometry, or exceptional eyesight.
Guys with average eyesight and coordination can play champion level pool if they are taught good fundamentals early.
A good pool stroke is physically much easier than a QB hitting a receiver in football, which is a complicated movement, hitting a moving target, often happening while the QB is himself moving and visually assessing the other players on the field. The eyes and hands work together the whole time.
In pool, it's a simpler movement, you're standing still, the OB is still... you can literally pick your aiming spot, then close your eyes and make the ball. The eyes and hand don't need to work together (aka to coordinate). At least, not every single time.
Guys with average eyesight and coordination can play champion level pool if they are taught good fundamentals early.
A good pool stroke is physically much easier than a QB hitting a receiver in football, which is a complicated movement, hitting a moving target, often happening while the QB is himself moving and visually assessing the other players on the field. The eyes and hands work together the whole time.
In pool, it's a simpler movement, you're standing still, the OB is still... you can literally pick your aiming spot, then close your eyes and make the ball. The eyes and hand don't need to work together (aka to coordinate). At least, not every single time.
I tend to disagree to a point in that to compare one type of physical motion to another doesn't quantify or qualify the hand-eye coordination.
Certainly we see new or not-good players just have no physical talent for the game. Likewise we see professionals that are immensely more "coordinated" at the stroke, getting that repeated motion while still moving every part of their body.
The easy proof is to shoot left-hand. That whole hand-eye coordination gets a real test just on a simply draw shot.
In other words, I think hand-eye coordination is often understated, especially by average players.
Freddie
I don't understand why this is even a debate....
IQ implies your ability to learn, understand, and retain information....
If they are the samel phyical make-up and put the same amount of time on the felt the person with the higher IQ is going to progress faster 100% of the time....
Pool is not just about repatition and muscle memory. Its almost about patterns and logic. Could the lower IQ player maybe be a better ball pocketer, sure he could. But he will not be a better overall player.
You need to understand what it is your doing in pool, and why you are doing it. Not just put the ball in the hole.
IQ implies your ability to learn, understand, and retain information....
If they are the samel phyical make-up and put the same amount of time on the felt the person with the higher IQ is going to progress faster 100% of the time....
Pool is not just about repatition and muscle memory. Its almost about patterns and logic. Could the lower IQ player maybe be a better ball pocketer, sure he could. But he will not be a better overall player.
You need to understand what it is your doing in pool, and why you are doing it. Not just put the ball in the hole.
These are the opinions i needed to back me up:thumbup:
It's simply a common debate on forums. Lots of people like to say things like "he's just book smart" or "smart people have no common sense" or "streets smarts" etc. Just common banter that can be mildly entertaining.
Indeed. :smile:
Rules, consequences, game strategy and more. Many players that are pretty decent never really gain an advanced understanding of those aspects of pool simply because of their "limitations". This is not infrequently where and why they hit the ceiling of their play.
Of course, people will still argue about it anyway.
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We hear this caution fairly often, but I don't buy it. I think people tend to think about things in proportion to their ability to do that - in other words, more "cerebral" players are more accustomed to thinking about things in more detail, so they're less distracted by doing it.
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Someone did a study, I don't remember who did it, probably those Australian folks again.
They found that intermediate players were as able to determine the next shot and position to it as well as professional players.
Players new to the game were not as able to select the next shot and position.
This suggests that there is a limited amount of analysis that is needed to play pool. I think your average IQ (85 - 115) is more than capable of mastering the intellectual components needed by any pool player.
Just because most of us know what the next shot should be doesn't mean that we can execute it.
They found that intermediate players were as able to determine the next shot and position to it as well as professional players.
Players new to the game were not as able to select the next shot and position.
This suggests that there is a limited amount of analysis that is needed to play pool. I think your average IQ (85 - 115) is more than capable of mastering the intellectual components needed by any pool player.
Just because most of us know what the next shot should be doesn't mean that we can execute it.
Maybe the next single shot.... But to plan the rack out properly in 8 ball or straight pool is a much more complex process. And don't even get me started on 1 pocket.
I agree.
After the training is done, what often separates a great player from a good player is what is not going on between their ears. In my experience, the more intelligent players have more of a tendency to over-think things that they should leave for their arm to deal with. I think the hardest aspects of the game to master have more to do with feel and focus than geometry and physics, and, as Feynman said, "a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy."
Aaron
Why can't an intelligent (read WISE here) player learn from repeated failures due to "over thinking" and adjust his/her playing style? I think an educated person will have the grasp of the mental aspect of the pool game once he/she read it on AZB.