Twenty-five dollars is a hole lot of money for an appraisal. Do you think I have a whole in my head? 
Is Indyq.com for real?
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if you think about it.....
$25 is cheap 'insurance' for someone looking to sell a cue quickly that knows nothing about them or the current market and has no real outlet to tap into that knowledge.
Think about this. Somebody needs cash and they think their old Adam cue was worth $1500 because their uncle told them it was 'one-of-a-kind and special'. You see this kind of situation all the time. Then they try selling that on ebay or craigslist for that unrealistic money. Time spent spinning your wheels is worth something....imo.
$25 is cheap 'insurance' for someone looking to sell a cue quickly that knows nothing about them or the current market and has no real outlet to tap into that knowledge.
Think about this. Somebody needs cash and they think their old Adam cue was worth $1500 because their uncle told them it was 'one-of-a-kind and special'. You see this kind of situation all the time. Then they try selling that on ebay or craigslist for that unrealistic money. Time spent spinning your wheels is worth something....imo.
All of you are wrong on what's going on here.
There is no reason to have the cue that long, and I have another dealer play a game with me, until I was "wisened" up a little bit.
When a dealer wants a cue for that long of time, he is "shopping" it to a few folks for free. He has a number of folks that are always looking for a Schick or something else in particular. He can show it to them, or even sent it to them, on someone else's nickel.
So for example he says the cue is worth $2000, and tells you that he will give you the $2K, he ALREADY has a buyer for $3K. All he is out is shipping fees (or not
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I have had some dealings with another dealer on AZ (not Roy) that did that to me...
My advice?
1.) Never deal with Roy.
2.) Offer a money back deal on any cue, but it has to be returned in 72 hours.
There are a lot of good folks on AZ but as in all things, protect yourself at all times.
Ken
There is no reason to have the cue that long, and I have another dealer play a game with me, until I was "wisened" up a little bit.
When a dealer wants a cue for that long of time, he is "shopping" it to a few folks for free. He has a number of folks that are always looking for a Schick or something else in particular. He can show it to them, or even sent it to them, on someone else's nickel.
So for example he says the cue is worth $2000, and tells you that he will give you the $2K, he ALREADY has a buyer for $3K. All he is out is shipping fees (or not
)I have had some dealings with another dealer on AZ (not Roy) that did that to me...
My advice?
1.) Never deal with Roy.
2.) Offer a money back deal on any cue, but it has to be returned in 72 hours.
There are a lot of good folks on AZ but as in all things, protect yourself at all times.
Ken
Sean -
I don't think that is what is going on the Ebay or Craigslist. I often think they are "fishing" for a buyer.
The Black Boar that someone else did some inlay work on shows up about once a year and has for years.
Those sellers know what they have, they are looking for buyers that don't...
You see it here pretty often too....
Ken
While his language was very poor.
Cmon man, you can't expect an appraisal of a cue like a free perfect aim phone lesson.
The guy has to have the cue in his hand to tell you what it is worth.
Cmon man, you can't expect an appraisal of a cue like a free perfect aim phone lesson.
The guy has to have the cue in his hand to tell you what it is worth.
bankoutallday
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Roy Malott
Just another bitter old man who needs to take his psycho meds. I'm sure he's making a killing in the cue game with that attitude.
Just another bitter old man who needs to take his psycho meds. I'm sure he's making a killing in the cue game with that attitude.
Tommy -
The guy was just wanting a ball park estimate of value...easy to do and most dealers or folks would do it for free (and accurate).
He could have said this is just an estimate, but to be accurate I would have to see it in person.
Roy was just being Roy.
Don't kid yourself and don't BS others.
Ken
No argument there. I think you may have missed my point or as they say, "Another failed attempt at humor."
No argument there. I think you may have missed my point or as they say, "Another failed attempt at humor."
Nope, your humor was most excellent !! :thumbup:
There is nothing "basic", "entry-level" or "simple in design" about that Schick...
Sean -
I don't think that is what is going on the Ebay or Craigslist. I often think they are "fishing" for a buyer.
The Black Boar that someone else did some inlay work on shows up about once a year and has for years.
Those sellers know what they have, they are looking for buyers that don't...
You see it here pretty often too....
Ken
Sure, Ken....I totally agree. A lot of guys like that have their heads in the clouds and their fishing lines running too deep.
But I run into a lot of people offline or via email that honestly don't know what they have. My point was that for $25, you can know whether you have a $150 cue or a $900 cue. And it's well worth it to someone who doesn't have access to the info.
And it can be done without being a jerk-off to somebody.
Roy is Roy. You were fishing for a value while trying to soft-sell him the cue. He responded professionally, promptly and courteously UNTIL you blew him off with your pronouncement that the cue won't leave your possession. THEN he blew his stack at the fact you wasted his time.
Lesson, don't waste people's time and they won't get mad at you.
Now, of course Roy shouldn't let you know that he is pissed. He should not give anyone ammunition to come on forums and play the "victim" card. I have told him this a hundred times but Roy is Roy.
Roy has also been in business for 20 years being the same person then as he is now. Doing the same thing then as he does now, buying and selling cues and cases. He has a stack of loyal customers who report being served professionally and promptly.
So that is the counterweight to the fact that he sometimes responds in an unprofessional manner. He doesn't coddle people it's that simple. He does what he says he will do and means what he says.
So, yes, Roy is for real and a lot more real than a lot of folks in this business. I am proud to call him my friend and would take a bullet for him any day. Not proud of him barking at people through email but I have the same tendency from time to time so I can't be too harsh about it.
GUY IS A 1ST CLASS A-HOLE! HORRIBLE BUSINESS GUY. ROY NEEDS A CLASS ON HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE RESPECTFULLY WEATHER HE AGREE OR NOT WITH ONES STATEMENTS! HE SHOULD HANG IT UP!
While Roy may not be able to provide an appraisal without possesion of the cue, that does not give him (or anybody) the right to treat another person in that manner.
He could have just said "sorry I cannot help you". Piece of cake and you don't come across like a grade A jerk
that's my point earlier! Your correct sir!
This didn't seem like a waste of anyone's time at all. Especially for someone who is in the business of buying and selling cues.
Series of Events:
1. Man with cue to sell, and little knowledge of cue, contacts man in business of buying and selling cues to see if he is interested in purchasing it.
2. Prospective buyer asks for a price and more info.
3. Seller sends more pics and says that he is trying to gather said info.
4. Buyer gives a brief description of what he has and asks, again, for a price.
5. Seller says that he has no clue what it is worth and asks Buyer's opinion based on current market.
6. Buyer advises Seller that the only way to give him a decent quote is to do an in-hand appraisal on the cue, gives a quote of his appraisal services and describes what/how long it would take to complete it.
7. Seller advises that he doesn't want the cue to leave his possession and declines service (I don't see anything wrong with this. It's a valuable piece of wood and, in his original email, he said that the cue was inherited, so it probably holds a bit more value to him than just another cue. If he doesn't trust sending it out for an appraisal, I can't fault him for that. There is probably somebody local to him that can do that without all of the shipping.).
8. Prospective Buyer/Appraiser blows up at the Seller after his services are declined.
The only odd part of this exchange is how the Prospective Buyer/Appraiser reacted after his services were declined. That was the wrong way to handle the situation and those actions should not be justified.
I recently had an experience similar to this with your company, John... but it had a much different outcome.
A few days back, after I sent you a PM with some case questions (thanks for the quick reply, BTW), I filled out your online order form for a Mason case. For a couple days I went back and forth with Marcel , ironing out all of the details. I hadn't received my sketch yet, but the process was moving along very smoothly. Then, when I least expected it, I was made an offer that I simply could not refuse on a Murnak case. I took the offer and, just like that, I was no longer in the case market... not in the immediate future, anyway. As soon as I could, I sent Marcel an email letting him know what happened. That email I received in return reads as follows:
"Hi,
Thank you for your update.
Please feel free to contact me when you want to place an order with us. I will keep the order form for future reference.
Marcel"
Short, sweet, respectful and he realizes that the Murnak is probably not the only case I'll ever buy. Now THAT is customer service!
In my opinion, a person/company's true colors show the brightest immediately after their services are declined. How you and/or your staff handles that situation says a lot about who you really are.
That is exactly the reason that I will never do business with Indyq, and that is exactly the reason why I will most definitely order a JB case in the future.
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Tommy, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, there are easily 10 or 20 guys on these forums that are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to the value of collectible cues. They would be happy to give you an honest ballpark value of your cue for no charge at all, just post some pictures and ask. Many of them have already commented on this thread. However to get the most accurate value you would need to get it in someones hands to inspect it and they should be compensated for their time and expertise. Just my opinion but AZ has some very great and knowledgeable people and it can provide a wealth of information.