Is it even possible this is real?

from my experience with pool balls signed with a sharpie, the writing disappears in 4-5 years.
I suspect magic marker the same.
I have a Kid Delicious signed 9 ball, 3-4 years old, writing almost gone, and it's been taken care of.
 
Could be possible I guess

DelawareDogs said:
The magic marker was invented in 1953 by Sidney Rosenthal.
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It could be possible I guess I went and found the patent seems a little unlikely.

Rosenthal patent 1953
https://www.google.com/patents/US27...ved=0ahUKEwipu-29lN_MAhUMw4MKHc-LAf4Q6AEIQDAF

Its a bottle of ink with a screw on tip/lid for marking. Did people use these to sign balls. The patent says nothing about permanent or non porous surfaces its just a early marker.

I am just curious if anyone knows about early signatures and weather they were on balls.
 
RoadHustler said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willie-Hopp...ue-ball-/201580766648?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

He died in 1959 and sharpies weren't invented until 1964...

Did people sign balls before permanent pens and if so what did they use Quils?
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I'm dubious. To me it doesn't look like Hoppe's signature. Also, I think anyone getting his signature when he was considered the best carom player who had ever lived would probably have provided an ivory cue ball and not a banged up plastic cue ball. For that matter, the ball looks more recent than 1959.

But I suppose it could be real.
 
lakeman77 said:
from my experience with pool balls signed with a sharpie, the writing disappears in 4-5 years.
I suspect magic marker the same.
I have a Kid Delicious signed 9 ball, 3-4 years old, writing almost gone, and it's been taken care of.
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Was the ball coated in gloss/wax? I would suspect a ball having polish on it versus being a mud ball would affect how long writing stays on it.

Also, weren't they still using lead based paint back then? If that's the case, imagine what they were putting in their markers...:cool:
 
Time travel

Bob Jewett said:
I'm dubious. To me it doesn't look like Hoppe's signature. Also, I think anyone getting his signature when he was considered the best carom player who had ever lived would probably have provided an ivory cue ball and not a banged up plastic cue ball. For that matter, the ball looks more recent than 1959.

But I suppose it could be real.
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Time Travel! There I said it... I wonder if he can get me a mint Alfredo De Oro on a reproduction poster.
 
lakeman77 said:
from my experience with pool balls signed with a sharpie, the writing disappears in 4-5 years.
I suspect magic marker the same.
I have a Kid Delicious signed 9 ball, 3-4 years old, writing almost gone, and it's been taken care of.
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Got several pool balls signed... most over 5 years old and as good as new.

Got a Cal Ripken 8 ball signed (he was #8), and it's 10 years old, and as good as new.

Got to keep away from light, so mine are in my basement. The light is on down there a few days a week, for a few hours at a time. The Ripken one is on a case as well for added protection.
 
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DelawareDogs said:
The magic marker was invented in 1953 by Sidney Rosenthal.
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I never saw a Magic Marker in the 50's or 60's that was capable of making thin lines like that. They were thick short stubby things for writing on cardboard boxes and the like IMHO.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Got several pool balls signed... most over 5 years old and as good as new.

Got a Cal Ripken 8 ball signed (he was #8), and it's 10 years old, and as good as new.

Got to keep away from light, so mine are in my basement. The light is on down there a few days a week, for a few hours at a time. The Ripken one is on a case as well for added protection.
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There are special marking pens that are made for making plant labels. I think they fade less. The ones I've seen have a pretty thin line, though.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm dubious. To me it doesn't look like Hoppe's signature. Also, I think anyone getting his signature when he was considered the best carom player who had ever lived would probably have provided an ivory cue ball and not a banged up plastic cue ball. For that matter, the ball looks more recent than 1959.

But I suppose it could be real.
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Combine that with the ebay tip off "I can not verify its authenticity".

If you feed that phrase into the Universal ebay Translator it equates to:

"no freakin' way this is for real"

Dale
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm dubious. To me it doesn't look like Hoppe's signature. Also, I think anyone getting his signature when he was considered the best carom player who had ever lived would probably have provided an ivory cue ball and not a banged up plastic cue ball. For that matter, the ball looks more recent than 1959.

But I suppose it could be real.
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I'm with you Bob, compare to these autographs and it's not close

https://www.google.com/search?q=wil...=gDA6V5zIDoay-QHPxqeAAg#imgrc=f9XLeBoDpu8JQM:
 
pdcue said:
Combine that with the ebay tip off "I can not verify its authenticity".

If you feed that phrase into the Universal ebay Translator it equates to:

"no freakin' way this is for real"

Dale
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it also translates to:
"I'm not giving your money back, even if you prove it's fake"
 
I'm not very into gathering autographs but I do have a couple I'm fond of, one is an antique billiard ball I took to a senior tour event and got several of the players to sign and the other is a Minnesota Fats poster I got and arranged for him to stamp hid Fats signature and hand sign with Rudolph Wanderone.
 
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