Is it me or does this seem a little high?

valuable?

I dont know whats more valuable the cue or a predator shaft from 78. Also his terminology is a little off. Who says a bowed shaft?
 
Bumlak said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Joss-Pool-S...238195211QQcategoryZ95098QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Now...I'm all for older Joss Cues. I've been looking to buy one for YEARS and either didn't have the financial ability or couldn't find one when I did have it. But $1800 for a plain 4 pt 4 veneer?!? Add another $600 and you could have a nice Joss West and not have to worry about a refinish and rewrap. Am I missing something here?

Eric
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The original Joss cues with Joss stamped in the butt, with spliced points, go for about the same as comparable old JW cues.

This cue with one shaft would probably be worth $600 or $700 in this shape. The extra shafts aren't worth much because they're not original, maybe a couple hundred. Add for the original Fellini that came with it (it's pretty beat up - maybe $275 in this shape). I think the whole package is worth $1100 - $1200 or so.

Chris
 
pre 78.. would that possibly be a cue that bill stroud made? what years did tim scruggs work there/

chris
 
I'm sure that it probably is a pre-split Joss but I was REALLY thinking about the same as what Chris said. Maybe $1000-$1200. The cue isn't intricate by any means and needs to be refinished badly.
 
ChrisOnline said:
pre 78.. would that possibly be a cue that bill stroud made? what years did tim scruggs work there/

chris
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STROUD left between 70 and 72.:)
 
Fwiw

ChrisOnline said:
pre 78.. would that possibly be a cue that bill stroud made? what years did tim scruggs work there/

chris
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Buttcap indicates 68 - 72

Billy left in 1972

Timmy left in 1978

Dale
 
Blocked Joss logo

pdcue said:
Buttcap indicates 68 - 72


Dale
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The Joss logo appears to be blocked which means its a post-stroud JOSS. Its a subtle difference but makes a big difference in the value of the cue.
 
misterpoole said:
The Joss logo appears to be blocked which means its a post-stroud JOSS. Its a subtle difference but makes a big difference in the value of the cue.
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If you look at the look pic on the upper right hand corner, it looks to me like their early logo (1968 - 1972). I'm pretty sure this is a Bill Stroud cue, looking at the work.

Most of the Scruggs built Joss' happened after Stroud left in 1972. Tim just helped there for a few months before 1972.

Chris
 
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Your eyes must be way better than mine.

If this is a post-Stroud, not considering the case, you should
get about a half-dozen for $1800

Dale
 
ive got a 68-72 joss that id have to get 2500-3000 if someone wanted to get it,,,,,,,,,,,,,fancier than what a plain jane cue would be, but a nice cue.
gunsights in points, ivory joint, 6 large ivory windows in butt seperated by barbells
dated by Rick Howard and confirmed by the 3rd edition of the blue book
 
Old Joss cue

Bumlak said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Joss-Pool-S...238195211QQcategoryZ95098QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Now...I'm all for older Joss Cues. I've been looking to buy one for YEARS and either didn't have the financial ability or couldn't find one when I did have it. But $1800 for a plain 4 pt 4 veneer?!? Add another $600 and you could have a nice Joss West and not have to worry about a refinish and rewrap. Am I missing something here?

Eric
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What about the fact that the butt cap has the original owner's name engraved on it? I wouldn't want to own a cue with someone else's name on it for that kind of money and how could you get the butt cap replaced to remove the name and not ruin the value of the cue like the seller indicates he didn't want to refinish it because of lowering the value.

SCCues
 
To sequay off of this post...I see alot of folks stating that older Joss cues are fairly inexpensive (even those from the 70's it seems.) However, I rarely have seen even 80's to early 90's Joss cues that sell for under $500 in poor condition. I'm somewhat of a fan of these early examples and would like to know what sources folks have found for the purchase of these cues?

Eric
 
owner's name can be a plujs

SCCues said:
What about the fact that the butt cap has the original owner's name engraved on it? I wouldn't want to own a cue with someone else's name on it for that kind of money and how could you get the butt cap replaced to remove the name and not ruin the value of the cue like the seller indicates he didn't want to refinish it because of lowering the value.

SCCues
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it's your money but, when it comes to 'collectables'
a cue with the original owners name oftem ADDS to the value
of the cue - sometimes adds significantly

Dale Pierce
 
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pdcue said:
it's your money but, when it comes to 'collectables'
a cue with the original owners name oftem ADDS to the value
of the cue - sometimes adds significantly

Dale Pi
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That's a valid point but it brings into question (as one would expect,) the definition of "collectible." In this case, I'm not sure if condition (less than 80% IMHO) and real world value of this cue would deem it as collectible. It's a standard model, the maker(s) are very much alive and the cue is quite plain. I'm not an expert here quite frankly but it's an interesting dynamic to consider. I think at times collectors of all things get caught up in "blue book" values. The value of any collectible is determined by market at the time. There are 1001 formula's to determine what is and what isn't "valuable."

My example from an earlier post in this thread still holds true. I have seen multiple production Joss cues go for prices well above what the value to most of us would be. Condition doesn't even seem to be a factor with some of the folks offering up their wares on such sites as Ebay. It just seems as though if you can manage to attach the words "vintage," "collectible" or "rare" to any cue listing (regardless of whether it actually is or not,) people are willing to pay top dollar.

I watched an Ebay auction for a mid 80's Joss not long ago (I guess it's model N-7 now.) It went for a grand total of $248 dollars. Meanwhile someone posted a 90's model and attached the word "vintage" to it and VIOLA! Instant $600+ sale. I just don't get it is all. The condition of both cues was 90%+ BTW.

Eric
 
collectible is still collectible

consider Rambows - ANY Rambow is a collectible cue, one in poor condition sells for less, but that doesn't change the fact that it is collectible.

Early Joss cues are collectible and tho neither Billy nor Danny
are dead, the partnership is, so there won't be any more made

ask yourself this
two identical cues, same exact condition, etc
one isa JOSS<68 - 72>
one is some unknown maker
which one would sell for more dollars?

Dale
 
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