I was going to post the definitions, but what's the point. Like Rick, you will dismiss the actual definitions in preference to your beliefs on what the words actually mean. Which boils down to, you've got nothing.
Is it possible to train your mind and body to hit
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I was going to post the definitions, but what's the point. Like Rick, you will dismiss the actual definitions in preference to your beliefs on what the words actually mean. Which boils down to, you've got nothing.
Yes, method is a systematic approach to something you are doing - learning in order to get consistent results.
Two Greek words, btw.
And it could also mean that someone can use more than one "systems" in order to create his own method of doing something.
What I have got, and you don't, is an understanding of the difference between the two terms
within the limited context of how to knock a pool ball into a hole.
I leap to the assumption that this is the main reason why you and so many others
mis-label these two distinctly different processes.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that performing an Aiming Method
in a systematic manner does not make it an Aiming System...
But you do need to be smarter than a box of rocks
Dale(there ain't no rocks on me)
Whatever, Rick jr. Some of you people never cease to amaze me.
Come on, Neil. CJ tried to mash the same distinction into mashed potatoes. It is an automatic fail.
Lou Figueroa
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Whatever, Rick jr. Some of you people never cease to amaze me.
Who is Rick?
I could explain it all in simple terms that even you could understand...
But I know you would still prefer to believe in MAGIC.
Dale(pool detective, cue detective and corrector of the self deluding)
I've honestly never considered that I use an aiming "system", but I basically find the point on the back of the object ball to the pocket for longer shots and I use the point in front of the object ball at the bottom of the ball for closer shots.
There are so many variables with aiming when using lots of english, I just let my sub-conscious do the rest once I acquire the spot on the object ball lined up with the pocket.
There are so many variables with aiming when using lots of english, I just let my sub-conscious do the rest once I acquire the spot on the object ball lined up with the pocket.
IMHO - you are not using a 'System'. You are relying on knowledge gained thru experience.
'Systems' don't work that way.
FWIW - what you have described is sighting and visualization,
important parts of the aiming process.
I would guess that the other parts of the process are so familiar to you that you no longer give them any conscious thought.
Dale
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Whatever, Rick jr. Some of you people never cease to amaze me.
The ball CAN ONLY BE MADE BY THE CONTACT POINTS LINING UP PERIOD! "Seeing" the contact points is not a "system" we do not start off with some point in outer space(or the edge of the ball) and pivot to center to make a ball, we just "see" the contact points - there is NO reference point to start from.
Maybe if you guys stopped trying to say we use a "system" we could make progress in this conversation. WE HAVE NO REFERENCE POINT other than the contact points which are constant and the only way a ball can be made.
We feel it belittles what we are doing, and thats ok. You may feel what we say belittles what you go through to make a ball - its all semantics in the end.
I still wanna hit some balls on your table, looks like it plays great!
Jason
I must have missed a thread somewhere.
What is the difference between an aiming method and an aiming system?
This is a serious inquiry. I'm not being facetious.
What is the difference between an aiming method and an aiming system?
This is a serious inquiry. I'm not being facetious.
if you do anything deliberately and consistently in an objective way it is a system. The process of aiming, even lining up perceived contact points, is a systematic way to aim. Having reference points is systematic, that's the nature of a system. You have a way to measure for adjustment. Seeing the reference points informs you of the likely outcome. This is systematic. Maybe it doesn't "feel" that way but it is if that is what you do.
You can become very good with that system. pocket------>object ball contact point------>cueball contact point------->shooter.
And you can become very good going the other way
shooter----->CB---->(objective perceptions)<-----OB
I am not sure- but your response sounds a bit like an attack/offense towards me. Don t know why- but ok.
I usually try to hold myself out of the ring, if the naysayers are playing their online wars
but just for the info: it may really has been a lack of understanding (vocabulary wise) from me personally. English is not my mother language- and so i haven t really clearly defined between the two terms method and system.
But not sure, if that would make, related to my posting really a difference.
and my question now is really seriously meant if i ask:
Describe pls (for me) the difference between method and system. (i would say for example, that i could use a methodically a system- or also I could use a system by using over and over again the same method- hope that makes sense for you).
best from overseas,
Ingo
No one uses a system, even so called system users. Just because someone uses the word system does not mean it is the most accurate word to describe the aiming method.
The word system is used is a marketing term to sell stuff......nothing more. It implies just do xyz and you will get results.....consistent results.
Nothing is further from the truth. In every aiming thread is hidden why one works which is why every other aiming method does........trail and error........doing and then seeing the results.
Seeing how the object ball reacts to being hit by the cue ball is where improvements come from and knowing how to adjust for a miss.......or knowing why you missed. No aiming method does that.
No aiming method can feel for you if your stroke is off, if your are not in the best shooting position for the current shot.
No aiming method can feel for you the needed stroke force to make the cue ball and object ball do what you want.
No aiming method can let you feel the proper shot sequence for a high ball run, something one pocket players no nothing about.
No aiming method can make you feel when a three way combo is right or caroming a ball off another is gonna work.
Y'all are so hung up on just making one shot......the bigger picture is lost. What is done with the object ball and cue ball is what matters. Make a ball, but no shot.....not good.
Most aiming "systems" have no provisions for safety play.....all seem to always be about putting a object ball in a pocket which is not the same goal for a safety.
A safety is about object ball and cue call placement.....seldom involves making the object ball, but does at times.
This is the biggest failing of most "systems". How do they handle safety play? If CTE is a center pocket system, that only a few visuals are need to pocket balls, where's does being able to place balls on the table that are not intended for a pocket come into play How does the one 2x1 come into play now?
How bout having to go two rails to kick at a ball and not hoping to just hit it, but to be able to hit it where you want to make it go where you want. Not a " system on earth can let you know when the shot feels right to execute.
Until you can just see the shot.........well, you are really discussing something you know nothing about
The word system is used is a marketing term to sell stuff......nothing more. It implies just do xyz and you will get results.....consistent results.
Nothing is further from the truth. In every aiming thread is hidden why one works which is why every other aiming method does........trail and error........doing and then seeing the results.
Seeing how the object ball reacts to being hit by the cue ball is where improvements come from and knowing how to adjust for a miss.......or knowing why you missed. No aiming method does that.
No aiming method can feel for you if your stroke is off, if your are not in the best shooting position for the current shot.
No aiming method can feel for you the needed stroke force to make the cue ball and object ball do what you want.
No aiming method can let you feel the proper shot sequence for a high ball run, something one pocket players no nothing about.
No aiming method can make you feel when a three way combo is right or caroming a ball off another is gonna work.
Y'all are so hung up on just making one shot......the bigger picture is lost. What is done with the object ball and cue ball is what matters. Make a ball, but no shot.....not good.
Most aiming "systems" have no provisions for safety play.....all seem to always be about putting a object ball in a pocket which is not the same goal for a safety.
A safety is about object ball and cue call placement.....seldom involves making the object ball, but does at times.
This is the biggest failing of most "systems". How do they handle safety play? If CTE is a center pocket system, that only a few visuals are need to pocket balls, where's does being able to place balls on the table that are not intended for a pocket come into play How does the one 2x1 come into play now?
How bout having to go two rails to kick at a ball and not hoping to just hit it, but to be able to hit it where you want to make it go where you want. Not a " system on earth can let you know when the shot feels right to execute.
Until you can just see the shot.........well, you are really discussing something you know nothing about
Yes why not? Imagine a line from the place in the pocket you're aiming through the center of the OB. Where that line exits the OB is the theoretical contact point.
Now, imagine a parallel line going through the cue ball. Where that line exits the CB on the side of the OB is the contact point on the CB.
Draw a straight line through both contact points. On a center CB strike you would just move this line parallel to the center of the CB.
It helps if you look OVER the table at said line first. Because as the OB gets farther away, it will look a lot smaller than the CB when you get down to aim, and it may actually seem you're aiming too full.
I totally agree with this. If you miss the pocket on the long side for example, you're hitting the OB too fat, regardless of how you aim it or what English you put on the CB! You then must cut the OB thinner than you think you need to. Or, blame the system.