Is Mike Sigel worthy of IPT Tour Status?

StormHotRod300

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Ok, obviously if you have looked at the AZ home page, you will see the article about George Breedlove and Warren Kiamco making the IPT list, which is COOL.

Now, also in the article is how Mike Sigel did in a couple challenge matches, and he went 2-2. And the two guys he beat, i have never heard of and same goes with the guys he lost too.

I mean only a couple months ago he was the so called KING OF THE HILL, and now he is getting beat by people i have never heard of. Obviously the guys who beat him arnt flukes because they have links to AZB players list.

But still, its like is he even going to amount to anything more than, the Former King of the Hill in the IPT? Expecially when the next tournament rolls around, will he make it past HIS first round? or even win a match?

Or will he just show up play, and collect his check, and call it good?

dave
 
Its not really fair to judge him by the players who beat him. There are world beaters nobody has heard of, except the locals, all over the world. Thats the way this game is. Once you master the game, you can beat anybody and anybody can beat you.

As far as his performance on the IPT is concerned -

I think he will keep his card for 2007 because the field has enough weaker players in it. However, after the best of the best make their way into the IPT, he may get nudged out of the top 100.

MS is no joke. The man can play with the best of them. Do I think he is in the top 10? No. Will he get owned by Efren? Yes. Will he scare all the current top pros? No. Will he be the next World 8 Ball champion? No.


Who cares though? Us pool fans owe him big. He must have been the driving force behind the IPT. Surely, he planted the seeds in KT's brain and coerced him to start the tour. Of all the accomplishments MS has in the game of pool, getting a backer for pool may be what history remembers him most for.

I'm glad we have him on board :)
 
Mike was worthy of being king of the hill thru his past not his current status in the pro pool food chain. Efren is now king of the pool jungle and a worthy one.
 
The way I understand it, Sigel was instrumental in getting this thing rolling. I guess he deserves something for that.
 
I really like to see Mike as an IPT organizer than a player. He knows a lot about pool, the ins and outs. Organizing the tournaments make him more useful to the IPT.
 
Mike Sigel and the IPT

First of all, there WOULDN'T be an IPT if not for Mike Sigel! He worked on Kevin for years to do this.

And in case you've forgotten, Mike was only one of the best poolplayers who ever lived. And he's not that old. Don't write him off just yet.

My prediction: He will definitely win matches, even beat some top players. and may surprise a few people by moving past the first round or two. Will he contend or even win tournaments. Doubtful, but certainly not impossible.

I know he talks non-stop, but the man is a pool thoroughbred. This is no washed up shortstop you are talking about here. Most of us would give our left n_t to have ever played like him.
 
jay helfert said:
First of all, there WOULDN'T be an IPT if not for Mike Sigel! He worked on Kevin for years to do this.

And in case you've forgotten, Mike was only one of the best poolplayers who ever lived. And he's not that old. Don't write him off just yet.

My prediction: He will definitely win matches, even beat some top players. and may surprise a few people by moving past the first round or two. Will he contend or even win tournaments. Doubtful, but certainly not impossible.

I know he talks non-stop, but the man is a pool thoroughbred. This is no washed up shortstop you are talking about here. Most of us would give our left n_t to have ever played like him.
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Well stated...Sigel has done so much for the game over the years. His knowledge of the game and his ablility to put on a great show while he is playing definetly make him worthy of this place on the IPT(Not to mention all of his titles that he has won) . In my opinion, Sigel put out one of the best instructional videos that I have ever seen. Plus, as stated earlier, without him...there would be not IPT.

Southpaw
 
Mike Sigel - How good is he?

StormHotRod300 said:
Ok, obviously if you have looked at the AZ home page, you will see the article about George Breedlove and Warren Kiamco making the IPT list, which is COOL.

Now, also in the article is how Mike Sigel did in a couple challenge matches, and he went 2-2. And the two guys he beat, i have never heard of and same goes with the guys he lost too.

I mean only a couple months ago he was the so called KING OF THE HILL, and now he is getting beat by people i have never heard of. Obviously the guys who beat him arnt flukes because they have links to AZB players list.

But still, its like is he even going to amount to anything more than, the Former King of the Hill in the IPT? Expecially when the next tournament rolls around, will he make it past HIS first round? or even win a match?

Or will he just show up play, and collect his check, and call it good?

dave
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If anyone doubts Mike Sigel's ability I have a short story to tell you. I have a rare Accu-stats tape that Jerry McWorter and Efren Reyes do the commentary on (Efren as a commentator - No Kidding). During the match Jerry asked Efren a number of questions and one question he asked Efren was "Efren, Who's the best player you ever played?" and Efren answered without hesitation "MIKE SIGEL"! In my opinion Efren is the best player i've ever seen play and if he says Mike Sigel is the best player he's ever played then that says a lot about Mike Sigel's game because Efren has played them all.

SCCues
 
Never count Mike Sigel out. He is one of the best players in the history of the game. He took many years off from the game to run his business and once he gets back in stroke by playing at a highly competitive level, he will be capable of winning at anytime. I feel we are about to see one of the greatest comebacks of all time.:)
 
Yeah, Mike may be a little rusty right now, but I am thinking... If he doesn't deserve to be there, then who does??
 
Hi guys,

I was there Saturday watching Mike play 4 mayches. He played 2 macthes at a time, and he was hitting them pretty good. He was playing very offensively and getting out most of the time and even a lot of the harder racks. I also saw him play a great safe, not opting to run his balls and not run out.

He talks alot, but he shoots real sweet. Not to mention, he is doing this to get his game back in gear, when he was playing, he was also anilizing (spelling) everthing that worked and didn't (practicing not really competing). After the game would be over, he would talk about what his think was throughout the game, I didn't even remember the shots and I went to try and learn a little.

The man is a true master, and isn't afraid of anyone.

I don't think he's at top calibure level (and may never get back there), but he plays well enough to win.

Just my opinoins from being there and watching the man in action.

Pete
 
I guess one had to be around to witness the greatness of Mike Sigel. Mike is definitely one of the greatest pool players in history. He dominated in the era of Buddy Hall, Earl Strickland, Louie Roberts, Nick Varner, Allen Hopkins, Kim Davenport, Jose Parica, etc etc etc. He was battling Earl Strickland when Earl had the brashness and the eyesight of a 21 year old - Mike is on my short list as one of the greatest 14.1 players in history and he is also in my top 10 for greatest 9 ball players all-time. Despite the glaring exclusions of some of the greatest players in the world with the IPT, Mike was a great choice to spearhead what Kevin wants to do, and Mike is not shy in front of the camera. Mike talks more than my teenage daughter - and he has the ability to attract people with his personality. I fully expect Mike to step aside and take on a less active playing role as time goes on, I think he'd be a great commentator, I hope KT realizes that as well and gives Mike his seat in the booth. With great players such as Alex Pagulayan and George Breedlove coming into the tour - and great personalities such as Danny Basavich and Keith McCready - I think he has a lot of material to work with... Some players are extremely reserved, such as Thorsten - one day I played with him for 2 hours and he never said a word. Mika and Niels are the same way sometimes. You don' sell a lot of tickets with quiet personailities (usually) so you concentrate on the people that have that spark and a relatability factor with your audience. Mike is one of those people. Does he deserve to be there? More than anyone.
 
Did you ever stop to think ...

that his playing of the matches, which I would bet he is only shooting at about 80-85% speed, is a goodwill gesture for the IPT. If some of the guys beat him, it is good for the IPT, and they get the entry fee paid for the next qualifier. He is sort of a Public Relations man for the IPt in the direct Pool world. It is a win-win situation all the way around, and KT knew that before he started it.

I think in tournament play, I think you will see MS bear down a little to play his best Pool, and he still has the skills to be a contender. He retired early, and I think he was born in 1957, and won't be 49 until July. He is younger than Efren.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Now, also in the article is how Mike Sigel did in a couple challenge matches, and he went 2-2. And the two guys he beat, i have never heard of and same goes with the guys he lost too.
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The challenge matches accomplish two things. It gets more people a chance to qualify, and they give Mike Sigel the needed competitive practice. It's sparring.

Fred
 
Born in 1953

Snapshot9 said:
that his playing of the matches, which I would bet he is only shooting at about 80-85% speed, is a goodwill gesture for the IPT. If some of the guys beat him, it is good for the IPT, and they get the entry fee paid for the next qualifier. He is sort of a Public Relations man for the IPt in the direct Pool world. It is a win-win situation all the way around, and KT knew that before he started it.

I think in tournament play, I think you will see MS bear down a little to play his best Pool, and he still has the skills to be a contender. He retired early, and I think he was born in 1957, and won't be 49 until July. He is younger than Efren.
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Mike will be 53 y/o later this year.
 
I dunno about who all beat him, but i know he is ranked 2nd next to efren in 2005. Im sure efren got beat by people you never heard of last year as well.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Ok, obviously if you have looked at the AZ home page, you will see the article about George Breedlove and Warren Kiamco making the IPT list, which is COOL.

Now, also in the article is how Mike Sigel did in a couple challenge matches, and he went 2-2. And the two guys he beat, i have never heard of and same goes with the guys he lost too.

I mean only a couple months ago he was the so called KING OF THE HILL, and now he is getting beat by people i have never heard of. Obviously the guys who beat him arnt flukes because they have links to AZB players list.

But still, its like is he even going to amount to anything more than, the Former King of the Hill in the IPT? Expecially when the next tournament rolls around, will he make it past HIS first round? or even win a match?

Or will he just show up play, and collect his check, and call it good?

dave
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I don't mean to be rude but if you've never heard of Imran Majid or Chris Melling then you know very little about pool.

Imran Majid
Previous UK No1, ranked 7th on the Euro Tour, been in many of the last few WPC's and I think came something like 3rd in the Phillipine Open before last years WPC, not to mention many more achievments I'm sure.

Chris Melling
Always stated his ambition was to win all 3 world championships, 9 ball, 8 ball, and snooker. He won the 2003 8 ball world championships, he finished last 32 in I think his only appearence in the 9 ball WPC and was a professional snooker player for many years but not quite breaking into the elite.
 
I ask a question PERSONALLY to Nick Varner in December in Mesa AZ when he was there to do a Demonstration.

My question had to do with the KOH Match where Sigel step in after all the Player player to Play Efren for the KOH Title.

Nick more or less said the without Sigel friendship to Kevin T, there would be no IPT, as Mike has been pitching the idea to KT for 10 years or so.

KT & Mike are buddies, and KT is the man with the Gold so to say, so he make the rules.

Varner in so many words said who care, as he has a chance to make some REAL Money playing in the IPT, and got 30K coming to the KOH, as he is a Hall of Famer...

Bottom line is without Mike pitching the IPT to KT, there would be NO IPT....;)
 
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