Is ok that I use a cue without a tip to break?

cubswin said:
If you don't see a problem why on earth did you ask for opinions?
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In that comment I was saying that I don't see a problem with the results I'm getting with the break (that's not to say that there are not problems I don't see). My original question I was asking for opinions on whether or not I was doing any damage to my equipment.

rackem- I really do not know what the balls are made of, they are whatever kind that came with the table. phenolic?
The reason I have only 30 post with a 3 year membership is simply because I usually don't have anything I want to say
 
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Then yes you probably will damage the balls. I concur with the previous advise get a slide over tip until you are ready to purchase another cue.
Then PM me.
 
Putting all the insults to the side there is a lot of good information also given. Putting your own tip on is one and slip on tip is another. Other than that if you are satisfied with what you are doing go at it.
If you should need tips or slip on tips let me know.
Ron
mr8ball@comcast.net
www.abctables.com
 
oh!!!

LCampbell said:
I must admit that some of the replies here have me suprised. I know in my original post I said that my question may be stupid but it was an honest question with out pretense, yet a few post here seem to have been posted in an effort to humiliate me (in which you have succeded!).
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Well son if i did so i am sorry, but common sense will tell you the tip is ther for a reason. would you drive your car without a tire on the rim?? no if you need to vent, think!!!!:grin-square: :grin-square: :grin-square: :grin-square:
 
rackem...All three things are the same. Phenolic resin is a kind of plastic material, and Aramith is just a brand name, for many pool balls, all made from the same thing...just different formulas.

FWIW, to the OP...IMO, breaking with no tip will damage your CB, and will certainly damage your cloth, if you accidentally make contact with it. You're also likely to splinter your shaft, sooner or later.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

rackem said:
Are they plastic, phenolic or aramith?
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Scott Lee said:
rackem...All three things are the same. Phenolic resin is a kind of plastic material, and Aramith is just a brand name, for many pool balls, all made from the same thing...just different formulas.

FWIW, to the OP...IMO, breaking with no tip will damage your CB, and will certainly damage your cloth, if you accidentally make contact with it. You're also likely to splinter your shaft, sooner or later.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Looking at the BCA Rules, it would appear a Wood Tip would be allowed.:sorry:
 
The people on this site are serious pool players, and generally will not settle for equipment that is below the basic standard of play (not that it has to be that expensive, as everyone is not that well off). People on here are also generally happy to give good advice to someone who asks. However, if you ask a question, get a fair answer, and just say, oh well, I am willing to take that chance when it means ruining your equipment, people's comments will change. You Actually said you are willing to risk ripping your felt (which would cost a couple of hundred dollars to fix) over having a cheap tip put on for $30. You said it is not worth putting a new tip on the cue, but if the cue is worth using, then it is worth getting it to the very basic level of play which includes a tip.

Also, why practice in a way that you will not be able to play in competition. you will certainly have to hit the cue ball in a different place without a tip than with one, which will throw you off if you break with a different cue in competition.

Why come here, ask a question, and then have an excuse for why you can't listen to any of the advice? That basically means you are going to use the cue as it is, no matter what anyone else says. That is what gets you the negative responses.

If changing the tip is not an option, I would suggest using a different cue to break. I would never risk my felt just to use a break cue.

I do not mean to be harsh in this post. I simply want you to realize why you are getting the answers you are.
 
I don't get it?

I would guess that at least some of the people who replied to this post have a break cue with a 1 peice phenolic ferrule tip combo.

Basically, that is what he is breaking with. A phenolic ferrule tip combo is a ferrule that is solid on top, and rounded slightly. I don't see the issues.

Actually, I like breaking with a flatter tip anyway, so why not completely flat. I often break with no chalk when I am practicing so that I train myself to hit the center of the cue ball. If I miss the center, i get a miscue. It helps me to learn more control and less power.


So go ahead and keep breaking with it. It really is virtually the same as the phenolic tip ferrule combo.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
I would have a tip put on because if you practice at home without a tip you are practicing the wrong way. because when you leave the basement and go out to a tourny you will have to use a tip! So heck i dont know. sorry.
 
rackem said:
Dude get a grip spring $50 bucks and buy a break cue.
PM me if you need one.:ok:
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No need to spend $50 bucks. Spend $5 bucks and get a tip.
The break is the initial and most important part of the game. It determinds if you get a second shot or not.
People buy and carry 2 or 3 or 4 shafts just so that in case the tip goes bad or it falls off, they can have a back up without the need to put on a new tip during the match and probably get disqualified.

1. Some associations deem hitting with the ferrule illegal.
2. It costs less to replace a Tip than a Ferrule
3. It is just incorrect to hit with the ferrule. Like people hitting with the butt end of a cue, sure you can do it, but it's not meant to.
4. Felt/Cloth Damage is inevitable.
5. You will look like a fool if you ever play with anyone from professionals to amatures.

That is the Gist of it. That's why your procedure is invalid in my opinion.

EDIT: If you're talking about a Phenolic Ferrule that's a different case. If you're just talking about just a regular cue with a leather tip and it had fallen off and now you're hitting with the ferrule, then I hold true to my statement. I am not trying to insult you, hitting the ball with just the ferrule doesn't make sense to me. Unless you have a phenolic combo and the tip had fallen off and you rounded the phenolic ferrule to break.

JUST PM me and I'll send you a hard Elkmaster tip for FREE if you'd like.
 
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What I don't get is that you are saying you have used a tip-less cue to break for a year or something....but you want to know if it will hurt your equipment....I think a year covers enough time to figure out how much damage it will do. As far as slate....the tipless cue should not damage the slate if in fact you do rip through the cloth. However, cloth/recover costs more than having a tip replaced for $10 by someone that knows how to do it. If you don't see a problem with your breaking, it works for you, you don't seem to like some of the good advice given, and you are willing to take your chances with your equip, why even ask questions about it?
 
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johnf_34 said:
What I don't get is he that you are saying you have used a tip-less cue to break for a year or something....but you want to know if it will hurt your equipment....I think a year covers enough time to figure out how much damage it will do. As far as slate....the tipless cue should not damage the slate if in fact you do rip through the cloth. However, cloth/recover costs more than having a tip replaced for $10 by someone that knows how to do it. If you don't see a problem with your breaking, it works for you, you don't seem to like some of the good advice given, and you are willing to take your chances with your equip, why even ask questions about it?
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I think I do like the advice given as I am going to go buy a house cue to break and not use the tipless cue again.

I've been using the cue for over a year and I don't perceive any damage but that doesn't mean there is no damage. That thought didn't occur to me until just yesterday.
 
Duce,

You say that hitting with a phenolic tip ferrule combo is ok, but hitting with just the ferrule is not. What I am saying is that a phenolic tip ferrule combo is the same thing.

I have installed hundreds of them! All you do is take phenolic ferrule material, install it capped, and radius the end slightly. The material is the same.

Some ferrules are a softer plastic and that will definately degrade if you break with it. But all phenolic tip ferrule combo's are the same material as most common ferrules. Even though they are a different color, they are basically the same material. I think I did my first one about 15 years ago!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Duce,

You say that hitting with a phenolic tip ferrule combo is ok, but hitting with just the ferrule is not. What I am saying is that a phenolic tip ferrule combo is the same thing.

I have installed hundreds of them! All you do is take phenolic ferrule material, install it capped, and radius the end slightly. The material is the same.

Some ferrules are a softer plastic and that will definately degrade if you break with it. But all phenolic tip ferrule combo's are the same material as most common ferrules. Even though they are a different color, they are basically the same material. I think I did my first one about 15 years ago!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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This is what I am saying:

1. If you had a (2 piece) Phenolic Ferrule and a Phenolic Tip, and the tip fell off and you lost it. If you really want to cheap out, you can Dome the phenolic ferrule and use it to hit.
(I am not talking about a 1 piece phenolic domed ferrule "combo" in which ferrule and tip are the same entity. Maybe that was the confusion.)

2. I don't condone hitting without a tip, but I see that phenolic ferrule may be stronger than Melenin/ABS. I may be wrong. But I don't see why doming a phenolic ferrule to simulate a tip shouldn't work. (I am not suggesting it, because it's easier to change the tip than changing the ferrule.)

I think we may be saying the same thing, but there seems to be a little confusion...
 
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Ok, this latest discussion doesn't involve me but- On my tipless stick (that I am no longer breaking with) the end of the ferrule is slightly rounded. It is probably a less than a nickle radius, but it its rounded. I don't know if the edge or the ferrule is rounded enough not to damage the cloth and by extension the slate; that is the thing I am most worried about. I wasn't worried about it until just recently, that is the reason I used it for about a year without looking for a better option.
 
Duce said:
No need to spend $50 bucks. Spend $5 bucks and get a tip.
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Remember the OP's own words.
As for the cue, you're half right- The shaft is a Cuetec and the butt is some generic cue. No, the two do not fit together but I made them fit. For that reason it would be pointless to take the cue to have a new tip put on.:indecisive:
Not to be a snob but Is it worth a tip?
 
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if you werent supposed to make contact with the cue ball with a tip why would cues come with tips on them?


Ben
 
Ok, I've admitted I was wrong and stupid and I am trying to correct the situation. The question now is: Does anybody think that I have done any permanent/ irreparable damage to my table.

Ben- I'm sorry my logic was faulty. I don't know what else to say.
 
Honest question, no harm in asking. Brave of you to ask.
My opinion:
You should get a tip put on. You risk three things by not: your table cloth, your stick itself, and your game. It's kind of a penny-wise, dollar foolish deal.

Best of luck.


LCampbell said:
I must admit that some of the replies here have me suprised. I know in my original post I said that my question may be stupid but it was an honest question with out pretense, yet a few post here seem to have been posted in an effort to humiliate me (in which you have succeded!).
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