Is Such a Thing as A 1pocket Concept?

[vagabond]

I know john`s game and also yores.you actually need 2 balls and break.I need 12-3 and break from John.If he agrees to what asked for I will fly to sacramento.

 

[jrhendy]

I like to see u match up with `suirrel`who is 10 years older than u.It will be a learning experience and fun to watch the display of the ` older concepts` and we do not have to spend any money to buy the tapes to learn the `concepts`

As far as me matching up with the Squirrel, who knows what might happen if I show up at Derby City next year. I'm sure we will both be happy if we are even able to be there. I don't know how he got the nickname, but don't the squirrels always go for the nuts. John Henderson

 

[lfigueroa]

I understand what you are saying, but those are moves and strategies. Not a "Concept" that will set you worlds apart from the opposition.

So, are you saying there's such a thing as a "chess concept"?

The likeness of chess and 1 pocket are very close IMO. Thry both have strategies and moves that you need to knwo in order to be able to play a good game. But there are those few "Bobby Fischers" in the world who have an inate understanding of the game that they actually pioneer new moves and strategies based on thier philosophy of the game.

Agreed. There are prodigies in every endeavor and they do break new ground. Books and books have been written. But can anyone say they have some secret overarching concept to the game?

Im sure everyone here has a philosophy, but most of those boil down to really fundamental building blocks of playing one pocket at an average level. Some are a little more advanced than others, but this concept is what set apart the true leagends of this game such as Artie, Freddie, Jersey Red, Ronnnie Allen, Grady, and even those that paved the way for those players.

Sure, but it was also talent and execution that let guys like Ronnie and Jersey Red brutalize everyone they played. You listen to Ronnie commentate and he's actually pretty elementary in his approach: move lots of balls, don't let the other guy have a shot, freeze whitey to the rail, play like a lamb when ahead, play like a lion when behind... Personally, I think Grady has the most well thought out, most cerebral approach to the game.

If you read grady's book "Bet High and Kiss Low" there is an excerpt in the begiining where an old timer teaches Grady some indisclosed fine points of how to play , after Grady had lost to another player. I believe a few days later they played and the other player lost thousands to Grady and couldnt understand how his game could skyrocket so fast. Especially after this guy thought he knew Grady's game. Now whether that old timer gave Grady the "concept" I cannot say, but there must be some validity to this idea.

I think we'd have to hear from Grady to clear that up, but maybe it was just a fundamental flaw at that time in his game. Maybe not.

Especially since players like Artie and Ronnie Allen could give sucjh phenomenal spots to top players and still not lose. I cant speak from expeience and I know I'm going off of here say from a friend and teacher but I can assure you, this is a very reliable source.

I think it was mostly raw talent and accuracy, and from that, the cojones to shoot in a style that most could not.

I guess basically to boil it down, I Believe there IS a "concept" to one pocket. Everyone will have their opinion, and unless exposed to this "concept" at all, I would expect most players to agree with you. It doesnt mean that if you dont knwo this you cant become a Top
Player, but it sure would be priceless knowledge to have !!

There's always more to learn. But IMO believing in The Force is not one of them

Lou Figueroa

 

[KCarson]

"Concept" Unqiue To The Individual

I am not the OnePocket player that many on this forum are but I have got to believe that given the fact that the object is be the first to make 8 balls, the individual player has to play to his or her strengths in combination with their personality and develop their own unique concept of how to play One Pocket to win (that is one ungrammatically incorrect "run on "sentence if I've ever seen one )

If I'm a guy that grew up on Straight Pool and have a quiet calm personality and demeanor, I'm going to play conservative One Pocket, picking off a ball or two or three at a time and not always looking to go 8 and out.

There are lots of ways to win and if someone trys to adopt a certain style or concept that doesn't match up with their skills and comfort level and personality, I just don't see how it will work.

Just my opinion and opinions are like a....... !

 

[jay helfert]

I know john`s game and also yores.you actually need 2 balls and break.I need 12-3 and break from John.If he agrees to what asked for I will fly to sacramento.

Okay, you match this game up for me and you get 10%, for free. Waddya say big John? 8-6 and the break, and you can pick the bet.

 

[thebighurt]

O.K. I am going to release the CONCEPT OF 1 POCKET now all you have to do is send me $ 10,000 everybody and I will send you the book with THE 1 POCKET CONCEPT in it, of course something this valuable I am going to have to write it in code in case it falls into the wrong hands, therefore after you get the book than you send me another $ 15,000 and I will send you the decoding cypher!!

 

[ShootingArts]

"the force" is a wonderful thing

There's always more to learn. But IMO believing in The Force is not one of them

Lou Figueroa

Lou,

I also am highly skeptical of there being any magic secret out there. On the other hand, someone that believes that they have a secret that gives them a huge edge over anyone else would play with incredible confidence. When I do anything or try any shot with supreme confidence in the outcome, magic happens. Maybe "the concept" is like the magic feather that "caused" Dumbo to fly.

Hu

 

[jay helfert]

Lou,

I also am highly skeptical of there being any magic secret out there. On the other hand, someone that believes that they have a secret that gives them a huge edge over anyone else would play with incredible confidence. When I do anything or try any shot with supreme confidence in the outcome, magic happens. Maybe "the concept" is like the magic feather that "caused" Dumbo to fly.

Hu

If that's true, how come Freddie never got off the ground? He should be about six miles up by now.

 

[jrhendy]

Okay, you match this game up for me and you get 10%, for free. Waddya say big John? 8-6 and the break, and you can pick the bet.

I thought Vagabond was in with you when he made the post. That would be worse than playing T-Rex with lots of balls and the break. You know the game is 9/8 on my break and I am being benevolent.

On another note, I see Baby Huey has been hitting them good and did well in Reno. Retiring young is working out well for his pool game. John Henderson

 

[vagabond]

I thought Vagabond was in with you when he made the post. That would be worse than playing T-Rex with lots of balls and the break. You know the game is 9/8 on my break and I am being benevolent.

On another note, I see Baby Huey has been hitting them good and did well in Reno. Retiring young is working out well for his pool game. John Henderson

You can give him 8-6 and breaks.With 8-5 he will beat u but with 8-6,I am not sure and it is a toss up.So when & where is the match ? By the way I can play you if u give me 5-2 and breaks.

 

[lfigueroa]

O.K. I am going to release the CONCEPT OF 1 POCKET now all you have to do is send me $ 10,000 everybody and I will send you the book with THE 1 POCKET CONCEPT in it, of course something this valuable I am going to have to write it in code in case it falls into the wrong hands, therefore after you get the book than you send me another $ 15,000 and I will send you the decoding cypher!!

wow. what a deal.

I have an aiming system for sale

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou,

I also am highly skeptical of there being any magic secret out there. On the other hand, someone that believes that they have a secret that gives them a huge edge over anyone else would play with incredible confidence. When I do anything or try any shot with supreme confidence in the outcome, magic happens. Maybe "the concept" is like the magic feather that "caused" Dumbo to fly.

Hu

Agreed. "I believe" (no need to clap for Tinkerbell) can take you a long way.

Lou Figueroa
Curly: You know what the secret of life is?
Mitch: No, what?
Curly: This.
Mitch: Your finger?
Curly: One thing. Just one thing. You stick to that and everything else don't mean s**t.
Mitch: That's great, but what's the one thing?
Curly: That's what you've got to figure out.

 

[lfigueroa]

I am not the OnePocket player that many on this forum are but I have got to believe that given the fact that the object is be the first to make 8 balls, the individual player has to play to his or her strengths in combination with their personality and develop their own unique concept of how to play One Pocket to win (that is one ungrammatically incorrect "run on "sentence if I've ever seen one )

If I'm a guy that grew up on Straight Pool and have a quiet calm personality and demeanor, I'm going to play conservative One Pocket, picking off a ball or two or three at a time and not always looking to go 8 and out.

There are lots of ways to win and if someone trys to adopt a certain style or concept that doesn't match up with their skills and comfort level and personality, I just don't see how it will work.

Just my opinion and opinions are like a....... !

Exactly. If you don't have the stomach for a Ronnie "we're gonna roll some balls towards our hole" Allen style of play, you've got no chance. Same if the Petey "boa constrictor" Fusco style of play is too passive for you.

I think we all develop our individual style of play and pick and choose between smart principles of play and go from there.

Lou Figueroa

 

[huckster]

I have been around serious pool for most of my life, and I know for a fact that there is a concept to one pocket that a lot of great players have no idea about. Guys like Corey D are what I call almost autistic when it comes to pool. He is very very creative and shoots so damn straight he can overcome not having the concept down. He outruns the proverbial nuts, so to speak. Shannon D can outbank you, out shoot you and in just about every facet of the game he is just better. The only two guys I have watched play 1pkt who looked like they were playing a different game who "knew the concept" are Steve Cook, and Jimmy Fusco. They were monsters, and it is not a "game plan" the "concept" is what is engrained in there games that others do not have. Shannon D for example when he is playing regularly is in my top 5 in the world at 1pkt. IMHO I think Cookie Monster had the concept entrenched in what he accomplished, but I seen Shannon play at higher level of onepocket. As simple as I can put it is this. I had a friend who traveled to Dayton before Steve passed to play him some even onepocket. My friend shoots straight as an arrow moves like a ghost and has beaten champions at 1pkt. I asked him how the match with Cookie Monster went, he told me it was hell every shot he felt uncomfortable, never felt in control of the game. By the way he finished two games up, but he told me that he didn't want anymore and they may have been playing each other, but they were in different galaxies.

 

[jay helfert]

I thought Vagabond was in with you when he made the post. That would be worse than playing T-Rex with lots of balls and the break. You know the game is 9/8 on my break and I am being benevolent.

On another note, I see Baby Huey has been hitting them good and did well in Reno. Retiring young is working out well for his pool game. John Henderson

Another good game for you John. I'm taking Jerry in this one, because of the youth factor.

 

[jay helfert]

You can give him 8-6 and breaks.With 8-5 he will beat u but with 8-6,I am not sure and it is a toss up.So when & where is the match ? By the way I can play you if u give me 5-2 and breaks.

And he just saw me play a month ago. I couldn't run three balls.

 

[vagabond]

And he just saw me play a month ago. I couldn't run three balls.

That is correct and John may be considering playing with you.

 

[jrhendy]

That is correct and John may be considering playing with you.

I'm still trying to figure out who you are. A knocker for sure with the games your trying to make for me. I'm not sure, but I think your the guy who follows the womens tour pretty closely and keeps us up with what's going on there. Nice to see you getting more involved with the men. John Henderson

 

[Slider]

On another note, I see Baby Huey has been hitting them good and did well in Reno. Retiring young is working out well for his pool game.

Who is Baby Huey?

How's Li'l Joey G. hitting 'em these days? Last time I was through Hard Times his 1-P game had taken a major jump.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[jrhendy]

Who is Baby Huey?

How's Li'l Joey G. hitting 'em these days? Last time I was through Hard Times his 1-P game had taken a major jump.

Thanks,
Ken

Baby Huey is an old friend & player from So Cal named Jerry that Jay & I know. He played well at both tournaments in Reno. He has a room in Ventura now.

Joey is playing well but has backed off a little lately. I am trying to get a ball from him so I have a chance. John Henderson