Is the 3 Cushion game picking up like the pool game is?

I see there is a Predator 3 cushion world cup going on in tandem with the Predator/CSI 10 ball world championship. How is this discipline of cue sports doing in general? Has it had an upswing the past few years as pocket billiards has?

I think 3c still has some potential to grow kind of like how 1pkt has. More low-skill level players now are playing 1pkt more than ever before. Which is cool to see. What's interesting is how many pool rooms do have 1 or 2 carom tables and many pool players choose not to play or learn.
 
How does this even happen? That seems wildly inconvenient. Like in Korea can they not use the normal size carom balls on all of their tables?
One can and I see folks playing 3c on the 4ball tables with the regular 3c size balls.

That is for the wimmins and children, apparently. They have to work their way(s) up to the 10'er.
 
yeah no, you dont
but it is funny to see you speak so much about something you dont know anything about

put a ball infront of a hole and shoot the ball in! sooooo much harder woa call the wpa!
Why you got to do everything the hard way?

Put the balls in your hand. Two balls. One hand.
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One can and I see folks playing 3c on the 4ball tables with the regular 3c size balls.

That is for the wimmins and children, apparently. They have to work their way(s) up to the 10'er.
I wonder if the regular 3c balls bounce around funny off the rails or something.

And where do you play out of? I know any many European countries it's common to have to work your way up to a 10'

I think that mentality is necessary in straight-rail but not 3c.
 
I wonder if the regular 3c balls bounce around funny off the rails or something.

And where do you play out of? I know any many European countries it's common to have to work your way up to a 10'

I think that mentality is necessary in straight-rail but not 3c.
Either balls play fine on either table.

If in DC suburbs and I believe there are 3 or 4 places (excluding private homes) to play around here.
 
I think the issue with 3C, aside from not being able to find tables easily, is that it is extremely unfriendly to beginners. It seems everyone knows from birth that in pool you shoot the cueball into the ball and the ball goes in the pocket. If a beginner walked up to a 3C table, they can stare and think about it for a month and not figure out the rules or how to play and once they do it will take a very long time to get a hit and a very long time between hits. Due to the difficulty and play style, you almost need to be a B level pool player to start to get close to making a carom more than 1/5th of the time.

Like most Americans I skipped straight rail, which I think is bad in the long run. I was fascinated by 3C pretty soon after starting to play pool. Some of the local pool halls had one or two carom tables and I wanted to play it. I think if we pick up our copies of McGoorty we can see what he said about the differences between the games. He was a good pool player who wanted to learn Billiards just about 100 years ago when both balkline and 3C were widely played by Americans. He spoke of the obvious nature of pool compared to the more abstract 3C. And the fact you needed a good stroke to get going in billiards. I don’t have my copy handy for an exact quote. He also talked of playing straight rail as an important part of his development ( which he didn’t always enjoy).

Also take a look at the 8 ball bible by Givens that has a section on how straight rail helps bar table 8 Ball. Anyway, as I begin to play more pool I wish I learned some straight rail after maybe a year of pool. During the pandemic I tried to make myself play some straight rail and try some gather shots and rail nurses. Didn’t get far but did a little bit. If you have a carom table handy take three balls in hand and set them up for a rail nurse. A beginner would find pocketing three balls easier then running three Billiards I think. Running 10 after all three in hand is not easy and you may quickly find yourself playing 3C shots to keep the run going.

I have a ton of respect for the balkline players. Their control of the balls and the need for masse shots and different bridges and such amazes me. It will never be a popular game or good spectator sport, but the variety of skills required is amazing. I think 3C is a better spectator sport because the shots are big and people can see the cue ball travel. But you still have to have some experience with it to be interested I guess.

Long way of saying I think pool will continue to be more popular, but Billiards may become more prevalent. Barriers to entry in the U.S. are the difficulty, lack of popularity, and lack of public tables. We need available public tables and as Texas Carom Club has pointed out in the past I think, there is a lot good that could come from playing series games on 8’ tables. But it probably won’t happen
 
Like most Americans I skipped straight rail, which I think is bad in the long run. I was fascinated by 3C pretty soon after starting to play pool. Some of the local pool halls had one or two carom tables and I wanted to play it. I think if we pick up our copies of McGoorty we can see what he said about the differences between the games. He was a good pool player who wanted to learn Billiards just about 100 years ago when both balkline and 3C were widely played by Americans. He spoke of the obvious nature of pool compared to the more abstract 3C. And the fact you needed a good stroke to get going in billiards. I don’t have my copy handy for an exact quote. He also talked of playing straight rail as an important part of his development ( which he didn’t always enjoy).

Also take a look at the 8 ball bible by Givens that has a section on how straight rail helps bar table 8 Ball. Anyway, as I begin to play more pool I wish I learned some straight rail after maybe a year of pool. During the pandemic I tried to make myself play some straight rail and try some gather shots and rail nurses. Didn’t get far but did a little bit. If you have a carom table handy take three balls in hand and set them up for a rail nurse. A beginner would find pocketing three balls easier then running three Billiards I think. Running 10 after all three in hand is not easy and you may quickly find yourself playing 3C shots to keep the run going.

I have a ton of respect for the balkline players. Their control of the balls and the need for masse shots and different bridges and such amazes me. It will never be a popular game or good spectator sport, but the variety of skills required is amazing. I think 3C is a better spectator sport because the shots are big and people can see the cue ball travel. But you still have to have some experience with it to be interested I guess.

Long way of saying I think pool will continue to be more popular, but Billiards may become more prevalent. Barriers to entry in the U.S. are the difficulty, lack of popularity, and lack of public tables. We need available public tables and as Texas Carom Club has pointed out in the past I think, there is a lot good that could come from playing series games on 8’ tables. But it probably won’t happen
one of the cool things about straight-rail which 14.1 or straight-pool also has in common is that they are both great games to play alone. It's easy to get bored for beginners or even advanced players. But very rewarding once you get good at it. 3c is the shortcut to the dopamine hit.
 
Got caught up watching last night and missed some 9 Ball because of it.

The wife even likes it and said she will watch it over 1pkt because each shot is suspenseful. She asked if we could put those pocket blocker cushions on the Diamond to play together. I was learning the rules reverse engineering style and enjoyed the match coming down to the wire. I'll watch again for sure.
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Got caught up watching last night and missed some 9 Ball because of it.

The wife even likes it and said she will watch it over 1pkt because each shot is suspenseful. She asked if we could put those pocket blocker cushions on the Diamond to play together. I was learning the rules reverse engineering style and enjoyed the match coming down to the wire. I'll watch again for sure.
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The suspense of the shot is really a great (and horrible) part of 3C. You hit one pretty good and have to watch the cue ball travel around and wait several seconds to see if you made it. Seeing it avoid a kiss by just a bit, etc... then when it misses by the thickness of a credit card...
 
I should add one thing. Yesterday I watched a little of the Las Vegas World Cup on 5&6 YouTube. Last year I was able to see some in person. These guys play so good there is a lot of pressure toward the end. I saw a bunch of a Tran match and a bit of others yesterday. Last year the match that stood out was. Zanetti match I saw in its entirety in person. When a guy can throw 10 or 12 at you any time or easily run 5-8 when both players are in the 30’s going to 40 it adds something. The equalizing inning in the 40 point matches does this too. The guy playing yellow may HAVE to make 4 or 5 from the break which he has done many times, but not every time by any means. The small game players face this when a guy wins the lag and runs out. Make 400 or whatever or you lose. A lot of pressure. But 3C seems to get to crunch time quicker and the pressure and defense come out.
 
Got caught up watching last night and missed some 9 Ball because of it.

The wife even likes it and said she will watch it over 1pkt because each shot is suspenseful. She asked if we could put those pocket blocker cushions on the Diamond to play together. I was learning the rules reverse engineering style and enjoyed the match coming down to the wire. I'll watch again for sure.
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Don't waste your time with pocket blox. Just play without them.

When any of the three balls go in a pocket, just spot them in the center at the end of the table they were sunk...and proceed as if shooter scores/ didn't.

I hope you are watcin the current Vegas live streams? Yesterday was AWESOME.
 
I should add one thing. Yesterday I watched a little of the Las Vegas World Cup on 5&6 YouTube. Last year I was able to see some in person. These guys play so good there is a lot of pressure toward the end. I saw a bunch of a Tran match and a bit of others yesterday. Last year the match that stood out was. Zanetti match I saw in its entirety in person. When a guy can throw 10 or 12 at you any time or easily run 5-8 when both players are in the 30’s going to 40 it adds something. The equalizing inning in the 40 point matches does this too. The guy playing yellow may HAVE to make 4 or 5 from the break which he has done many times, but not every time by any means. The small game players face this when a guy wins the lag and runs out. Make 400 or whatever or you lose. A lot of pressure. But 3C seems to get to crunch time quicker and the pressure and defense come out.
Did you watch yesterday?
Both Blomdahl and sayginer in the high 30s with shootout....
Sanchez making piedrobuena look like a novice.

GOOD STUFF!!
 
Don't waste your time with pocket blox. Just play without them.

When any of the three balls go in a pocket, just spot them in the center at the end of the table they were sunk...and proceed as if shooter scores/ didn't.

I hope you are watcin the current Vegas live streams? Yesterday was AWESOME.
Yes I was and yes it was! Both guys with runs over 10 and one at 17. It's was pretty incredible to be honest
 
Yes I was and yes it was! Both guys with runs over 10 and one at 17. It's was pretty incredible to be honest
Eggsellint.
And
I failed to mention...consider playing two rail instead of three (carom on pool table).
A lot of the shots you'll be going three+ rails anyway and the table is so slow that opening scoring to 2rail shots is approaching necessary.
 
One can and I see folks playing 3c on the 4ball tables with the regular 3c size balls.

That is for the wimmins and children, apparently. They have to work their way(s) up to the 10'er.
There is a Vietnamese pool room in Atlanta I go to once in a while. Half carom, half pool. The carom tables are 9' 4 ball tables, and one single 10' 3C table. I had the locals show me the rules for the 4 ball game on the 9'. We also played 3C afterwards on the same 9'. Even with the ball sizes completely different, the reaction off the rails felt perfect for both sets of balls. It got me thinking actually about Diamond pool tables, and how it seems they are even bouncier than a true carom table, even when the carom table has the wrong size balls. Sorry to go off course:)
 
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