Is 'The Cannon' just a Pop nowdays!

Snapshot9

Snapshot9

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A few years ago, much was going around about Shannon 'The Cannon' Daulton, and he seemed to be the player to beat. He won tournaments and was declared unofficially to be a Champion player.

But, it seems, the recent years have not been as kind to Shannon, and he does not seem to be Champion material anymore, but merely a contender, albeit a good one, but just a contender.

Am I wrong? If so, I will concede my point, if sufficient proof is given, but lets examine his playing career for the last 10-15 years, and see where he was and compare to today, then decide.

They had him on the front page a day or two ago, being one of the leaders in the Nationals, but he ended up placing 9th-12th. Has this been his fate the last few years?

Note: THIS IS ONLY ABOUT SHANNON, AND NOT OTHER PLAYERS. Please limit your posts to information or opinions about Shannon.
 
I've noticed the same thing, but just attributed it to something (I have no idea what) in his private life affecting his on table performance. His performances in the IPT were not up to his standard. Hopefully, this will pass and he will regain his position within the rankings.
 
Last time I heard anything about him, he was hanging out with Nascar driver Tony Stewart and they went to a trade show and Tony purchased some expensive cutom cues. :)
 
CaptainHook said:
Last time I heard anything about him, he was hanging out with Nascar driver Tony Stewart and they went to a trade show and Tony purchased some expensive cutom cues. :)
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Shannon gave Tony a custom made Jack Justis case as a gift... Tony reciprocated while they were at the Derby City Classic last yr and bought Shannon a Gina Cue.
 
Let's put it this way. If anyone is wondering how well Shannon is playing these days offer to play him 10 ahead 9ball for 20k or better yet 6 ahead short rack banks for 20k. A lot of champions prefer to stay away from the tournament grind and practicing. Because........................................Drum roll please..................There is no money in pool I played cheap poker with Shannon two years ago and he never mentioned pool once. The U.S champions are burnt out. I chuckle everytime I see a post that Sigel can't play, Daulton can't play, Hopkins can't play, McCready can't play etc. I alot of world beaters know that they can not make a living at pool alone. Take for example the Viking national championship Mike Janis is great for the sport and runs a great tourny, but first paid 5k. It took a week and expenses for a chance to win 5k. I am willing to bet anyone finishing below 5/6th lost money for the week (I do not want to debate that) pool is a no win situation. When I was little I wanted to grow up to be a pool player like Grandpa, until I heard the stories of how many players end up with nothing. What happens when the stroke goes, and the eyesight gets bad? Back to the point yes Shannon is still top 5 in the US IMHO
 
Well ....

huckster said:
Let's put it this way. If anyone is wondering how well Shannon is playing these days offer to play him 10 ahead 9ball for 20k or better yet 6 ahead short rack banks for 20k. A lot of champions prefer to stay away from the tournament grind and practicing. Because........................................Drum roll please..................There is no money in pool I played cheap poker with Shannon two years ago and he never mentioned pool once. The U.S champions are burnt out. I chuckle everytime I see a post that Sigel can't play, Daulton can't play, Hopkins can't play, McCready can't play etc. I alot of world beaters know that they can not make a living at pool alone. Take for example the Viking national championship Mike Janis is great for the sport and runs a great tourny, but first paid 5k. It took a week and expenses for a chance to win 5k. I am willing to bet anyone finishing below 5/6th lost money for the week (I do not want to debate that) pool is a no win situation. When I was little I wanted to grow up to be a pool player like Grandpa, until I heard the stories of how many players end up with nothing. What happens when the stroke goes, and the eyesight gets bad? Back to the point yes Shannon is still top 5 in the US IMHO
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This wasn't meant to turn into a woofing contest, merely to examine Shannon's playing career, turns it has taken, what's he up to, how he feels about the game, etc.. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, James Walden told me directly that his backer put him up to play Shannon there, and Shannon's backer WOULD NOT PUT HIM UP. So, before you go off on I will beat the world phrases, you might want to account for exceptions to it. If he is still playing that good, seems he would have finished higher than 9th/12th in the tournament he just finished.
 
Snapshot9 said:
This wasn't meant to turn into a woofing contest, merely to examine Shannon's playing career, turns it has taken, what's he up to, how he feels about the game, etc.. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, James Walden told me directly that his backer put him up to play Shannon there, and Shannon's backer WOULD NOT PUT HIM UP. So, before you go off on I will beat the world phrases, you might want to account for exceptions to it. If he is still playing that good, seems he would have finished higher than 9th/12th in the tournament he just finished.
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It would be interesting to know the circumstances behind this wager being turned down.
Circumstances other than who you are playing will often dictate whether or not it's a good game.
And, for the record, he did finish higher than this year's US Open winner. (Absolutely not meant to take anything away from John Schmidt)
 
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Snapshot9 said:
If he is still playing that good, seems he would have finished higher than 9th/12th in the tournament he just finished.
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Archer can and has gone 2 & out... even champions have bad days in pool. As you should know Scott, tournament play is different than gambling and Shannon was raised on the gambling side of pool. Couple that with the fact that Shannon doesn't play the normal tournament trail so it's quite possible for you to go without hearing from or about him for awhile.

BazookaJoe said:
It would be interesting to know the circumstances behind this wager being turned down.
Circumstances other than who you are playing will often dictate whether or not it's a good game.
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Exactly!
 
Russ Chewning said:
I think top 5 is a SERIOUS stretch..

Russ
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I think a genuine "top 5" is impossible to determine without leaving someone out.
But, let's just say there aren't 4 guys out there willing to offer him weight.
 
I just saw Shannon play this past week at the Viking Tour $25k guaranteed tourney in Atlanta and he is playing very well. That was one of the strongest fields (without the Phillipinos) you will see. He also said that he has a standing offer with anyone who wants to play a set of 9ball, banks and one pocket (including efren) can bet whatever they want to.

Southpaw
 
there are lots of pros that go on hot streaks for a year or two then go cold for a while. i think with a game as easy to run out in as 9ball, where lots of the top tier pros can run mutiple racks off the break (as opposed to straight pool years back) its easier for different people to go on streaks where they win a big event, get all pumped up and play very well for a few years until losing that touch. if all the pro events played one pocket or straight pool, we might have a situation where "the cream of the crop" rises and we have a small group of players winning every event consecutively... but this is only speculation on my part :)
 
Southpaw said:
I just saw Shannon play this past week at the Viking Tour $25k guaranteed tourney in Atlanta and he is playing very well. That was one of the strongest fields (without the Phillipinos) you will see. He also said that he has a standing offer with anyone who wants to play a set of 9ball, banks and one pocket (including efren) can bet whatever they want to.

Southpaw
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Was Efren within earshot? Because Efren is supposed to beat him 9 Ball and One Pocket, and I don't think Shannon is a big favorite in Banks. Especially the way Efren is playing lately. He's been the best for quite awhile, but lately he has been embarassing the other pros in One Pocket.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Was Efren within earshot? Because Efren is supposed to beat him 9 Ball and One Pocket, and I don't think Shannon is a big favorite in Banks. Especially the way Efren is playing lately. He's been the best for quite awhile, but lately he has been embarassing the other pros in One Pocket.

Russ
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I have to disagree.
None of the top tier pros are "supposed" to beat any of the other top tier pros in 9 ball. A 9 ball match can come down to who had the best night's rest or morning bowell movement. I do agree that without weight, I can't see him(or anyone else) coming out on top in one-pocket.
 
Timberly said:
Tony reciprocated while they were at the Derby City Classic last yr and bought Shannon a Gina Cue.
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Damn. I've got to find Tony's address and send him a sweater or something for x-mas.

Aaron
(always had a thing for Ginacues)
 
I think he was in a car accident a few years ago. I don't know if it actually effected his game. If you consider his record at the Derby City Classic he is a player that can never be counted out. If the money was right he would be as good as anyone in the world.
 
I didn't set out to offend any Shannon supporters, but his recent tournament performance has not been up to his usual level. I'm also not wolfing action...just making a casual observation and wondering why this great player has slipped in recent times.

Several people have mentioned $$$ as a motivator and I don't get that. If that was the case, wouldn't the $$$ being promised by the IPT (up to $500,000) be sufficient?

Recent Finishes:

IPT World Open 8-Ball: 51st ($500,000 top prize)
IPT North American Open 8-Ball: 85th ($350,000 top prize)
 
Yeah exactly and i think one of the reasons the gambling side of pool is different is because you keep playing until someone says enough, well in the ipt with the round robin format he had plenty of time to come out on top, considering he doesnt play people race to 100 for 500k! The money is more than he has seen on "gambling" side. But this just confirms what ive been thinking that the international game has shifted the balance from americans dominating pool to a world sport.
 
mosconiac said:
Several people have mentioned $$$ as a motivator and I don't get that. If that was the case, wouldn't the $$$ being promised by the IPT (up to $500,000) be sufficient?

Recent Finishes:

IPT World Open 8-Ball: 51st ($500,000 top prize)
IPT North American Open 8-Ball: 85th ($350,000 top prize)
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If you were referring to what I said... I said gambling is different than a tournament... it's not the money in the tournament, it's the different mind set. There are tournament players and gamblers.... they're starting to be more tournament players than gamblers these days but that wasn't the world that Shannon honed his skills in.

51st out of 200.... if my calculations are correct (math is my WORST subject) then he finished 1 spot out of the top 25%. Still not too shabby. If you want to look at it in another perpespective....Thorsten won Vegas and didn't make it past the 1st round of Reno. ;)
 
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