Is the Object Ball just a "Mirrored Reflection" of the Cue Ball

Can you name any other mirrored reactions between the cue ball and object ball?

nine o nine said:
I don't know of or believe in "overspin". "put under-spin on the cue ball, it puts over-spin on the object ball" according to CJ's first post. Although I admire his accomplishments.
I believe it was Dr Dave who tried to measure "overspin" and it was proven to be an insignificant object ball action. Mitch
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The point wasn't the opposite spin is significant, the object ball simply has an opposing reaction...... like a mirror in this analogy.

This comes up in banking shots, however, there's more to it than just spin, there's other things that are mirrored as well.

Can you name any other mirrored reactions between the cue ball and object ball? How about life, isn't our perception of reality actually a mirror?
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CJ Wiley said:
So you aim at this type of object ball, when's the last time you actually hit one?

Aiming at "ghosts" is simple? They are imaginary, I'd hate to be betting all my money in a match and have to rely on an imaginary ball, what if it disappears?

I'll stick to the real one (pun intended). :groucho:
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Since you like to be so literal, I will also add that it is stupid to use TOI. Even a fool will tell you that you can't touch the cue ball, and definitely can't touch it's insides.

Now back to your regularly scheduled nonsensical CJ BS.
 
Of course you can touch the cue ball to the inside of center

MahnaMahna said:
Since you like to be so literal, I will also add that it is stupid to use TOI. Even a fool will tell you that you can't touch the cue ball, and definitely can't touch it's insides.

Now back to your regularly scheduled nonsensical CJ BS.
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Of course you can touch the cue ball, it's the primary target in pool

Remember an important, and often over-looked fact - the cue ball is always the primary target because it's the only thing we physically contact - we don't effect the object ball, or the pocket directly.

This is true no matter the distance, the speed, the spin, the angle, etc. Another reason "there are no easy shots or hard shots," because the target is actually where the tip connects to the cue ball at impact. If we don't hit the cue ball where we're aiming, it's not possible to hit the object ball as planned.

The object ball acts as a "mirrored" reflection of now we influence the cue ball. When we put left spin on the cue ball, it puts right spin on the object ball, when we put under-spin on the cue ball, it puts over-spin on the object ball etc.
The cue ball is always the target and in every case we have to hit the cue ball precisely where we're aiming.

We're really not "aiming" at the object ball, we align to it in such a way that, when we hit the cue ball where we intend, the object ball (as a result) goes where we desire (in the final target which is the pocket or area of the table for a safety).
 
DTL said:
Enough to slightly change the tangent line of an OB frozen to another ball if hit in the correct thickness (can occasionally keep a straight pool run going). And enough to widen or lengthen an angle of a bank shot (top spin will do the opposite....check the ball up or shorten the bank).
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Interesting. I have a habit of shooting most banks with a little low outside because I usually end up short if I don't. I've always thought it was a defect in the way I sight a bank (strictly feel, no diamonds). Transferred (reflected?) spin seems to have a more pronounced effect on my banks than theory would lead me to believe. A lot of cross-side banks I call and miss short seem to slop in as two-railers.
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Interesting. I have a habit of shooting most banks with a little low outside because I usually end up short if I don't. I've always thought it was a defect in the way I sight a bank (strictly feel, no diamonds). Transferred (reflected?) spin seems to have a more pronounced effect on my banks than theory would lead me to believe. A lot of cross-side banks I call and miss short seem to slop in as two-railers.
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You have done it enough where you have trained your subconscious to adjust, compensate, for your English and stroke


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The best bank players do it with high english, or a touch of inside.

Sloppy Pockets said:
Interesting. I have a habit of shooting most banks with a little low outside because I usually end up short if I don't. I've always thought it was a defect in the way I sight a bank (strictly feel, no diamonds). Transferred (reflected?) spin seems to have a more pronounced effect on my banks than theory would lead me to believe. A lot of cross-side banks I call and miss short seem to slop in as two-railers.
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You are throwing them in with the spin, allowing you to hit the object ball fuller.

The best bank players do it with high english (putting low english or "hold" on the OB), or a touch of inside.
 
CJ Wiley said:
You are throwing them in with the spin, allowing you to hit the object ball fuller.

The best bank players do it with high english (putting low english or "hold" on the OB), or a touch of inside.
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Throwing them in with spin... is that what folks mean when they say "twist them in"? I remember Cotton using that term on TAR matches, then he said he wasn't supposed to call it that. Couldn't figure out what he was talking about.

Anyway, thanks, I'll have to give those other methods some serious work. Banks are by far the worst part of my game.
 
CJ Wiley said:
You are throwing them in with the spin, allowing you to hit the object ball fuller.

The best bank players do it with high english (putting low english or "hold" on the OB), or a touch of inside.
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Why do you refer to putting low english on the cue ball as "high english"?
 
Banking isn't tough, it just takes understanding how to use the diamonds

Sloppy Pockets said:
Throwing them in with spin... is that what folks mean when they say "twist them in"? I remember Cotton using that term on TAR matches, then he said he wasn't supposed to call it that. Couldn't figure out what he was talking about.

Anyway, thanks, I'll have to give those other methods some serious work. Banks are by far the worst part of my game.
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I'm out of my TIP Banking Secrets DVDs, and just ordered more Wednesday. Once they come in I'll be glad to send you one and see if we can change this for you.

PM me your address and I'll send it asap. I do have it on PPV for a couple of dollars too if anyone wants to see it right away.

Banking isn't tough, it just takes understanding how to use the diamonds, the tip and cue ball target to create angles.......banking is simply creating angles, the trick is to know how it aligns with the geometry of the table.
 
high english on the cue ball transfers low english to the OB

cueman said:
Why do you refer to putting low english on the cue ball as "high english"?
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I said putting high english on the cue ball transfers low english to the OB (object ball).

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You are throwing them in with the spin, allowing you to hit the object ball fuller.

The best bank players do it with high english (putting low english or "hold" on the OB), or a touch of inside.
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cueman said:
Why do you refer to putting low english on the cue ball as "high english"?
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Chris, I don't know if you've been following the whole thread, but I'm pretty sure this is transferred spin, i.e. using top spin to force the OB into the cushion with a touch of bottom spin.

EDIT: Looks like CJ beat me to the punch with his own answer to your question Lol
 
Transfer this....

I made this 4 rail bank shot today in a tournament. No mirrors but a lot of luck with avoiding a kiss on the OB. English 8 Ball for those wondering what yellow and reds are doing on a table.
 

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You don't aim at the CB. "Aiming" requires two pieces, a reference and a target.

You don't aim at the rear sight of a gun and you never touch the bullet.

You don't aim at the bow string and you never (essentially) touch the arrow.

Aiming in pool is much like aiming in golf, or hockey or many other activities where the 'striker' is put in motion.

In golf, you aim at a target well out in front of the ball, not the ball. The ball simply gets in the way of the club head during it's path down the target line.

Same in baseball....

Same in hockey....

Your target is the destination of the projectile, not the projectile. You aim at the target.
 
CJ Wiley said:
I said putting high english on the cue ball transfers low english to the OB (object ball).
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Let's be accurate in our terminology. "english" is sidespin. Hitting the cue ball above center is "follow" not "high english" and likewise, hitting the cue ball below center is "draw" not "low english".

Hitting the cue ball with "follow" does not put draw on the object ball. Friction from the cloth prevents it! Since when hitting the cue ball with follow not only are you imparting top-spin but you are also pushing the cue ball into the cloth creating more friction with the cloth. This is what happens when spheres collide. One sphere is the cue ball and the other is your cue tip and in applying follow, the cue tip (sphere) is above the center of the cue ball (sphere). Draw can only happen when the cue tip (sphere) is below or even with the center of the cue ball (sphere) because now the force reduces the friction on the cloth causing the cue ball to slide and resulting in "draw". What does happen when you hit an object ball with follow is "natural roll".
However, the speed at which you hit an object will determine how quickly it "rolls naturally" more so than using follow.
 
RRfireblade said:
You don't aim at the CB. "Aiming" requires two pieces, a reference and a target.

You don't aim at the rear sight of a gun and you never touch the bullet.

You don't aim at the bow string and you never (essentially) touch the arrow.

Aiming in pool is much like aiming in golf, or hockey or many other activities where the 'striker' is put in motion.

In golf, you aim at a target well out in front of the ball, not the ball. The ball simply gets in the way of the club head during it's path down the target line.

Same in baseball....

Same in hockey....

Your target is the destination of the projectile, not the projectile. You aim at the target.
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Aiming in pool is NOT like aiming in golf or any other activity!

The main projectile in pool is the cue tip! We "propel" the cue tip into a ball with the object of propelling that ball into another ball and sending it into the target. In pool, there are actually multiple targets and two projectiles (cue tip & cue ball). However, in pool we need to propel our first projectile (cue tip) into our first target (cue ball). What also makes pool aiming different from other sports is we have more than one final targets...where the object ball ends up and where the cue ball ends up. Neither of which can happen with good results if we miss our first target!
 
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