Is there a common CTE focus point or final aiming point?

Nah, I don't want a war with anyone. I'm just looking for an INCITEto CTE Pro 1

ROTFLMAO! I couldn't help responding to this FREUDIAN SLIP. Yep, that's what your intentions are with CTE and continued posting on here.

Oh man, this is hilarious!
 
And don't you ever get tired of regurgitating the same old negative crap every time CTE is mentioned?

Your attempts to denigrate CTE, those who teach it and those who claim to benefit from it, are simply PATHETIC ad hominem attacks which ARE AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.

Maybe it's time they banned you.

JoeyA

Well, several, like Champ, duckie, and PJ have been banned; I think Dr. Dave just gave up explaining why it was impossible for somethings to not be so; others found other ways to twiddle away the hours and just gave up.

BTW, this thread barely counts as scratching the surface. There have been tons of threads, some of them truly monumental, on this topic, here and further back on RSB. Unfortunamente, several of the best ones here have beed deleted.

Lou Figueroa
never to rise
from the dead
 
Nah, I don't want a war with anyone. I'm just looking for an incite to CTE Pro 1, and I see from this 5 year old thread that I'm not the only one that's had trouble over the years. What I don't understand is why you defenders have such big chips on your shoulders over this system. It's almost like you think you're defending something that is indefensible but I haven't determined that for sure yet. If and when I decide it's not for me, I'll leave it to you.


I think your our better off just to keep messing with it, teaching someone to aim is a tall task. You have the instructions..now you must learn it through your eyes.

Forget about seeking help with these guys, you don't get it or agree with them, sheit starts to fly your way.

Don't spend to much thinking your going to be firing balls in behind a curtain, its not needed playing REAL pool.

Being baited is the common theme in these aiming threads. The truth be told, who's really done the baiting.

Most things in life that seem to good to be true, usually aren't.
 
I think your our better off just to keep messing with it, teaching someone to aim is a tall task. You have the instructions..now you must learn it through your eyes.

Forget about seeking help with these guys, you don't get it or agree with them, sheit starts to fly your way.

Don't spend to much thinking your going to be firing balls in behind a curtain, its not needed playing REAL pool.

Being baited is the common theme in these aiming threads. The truth be told, who's really done the baiting.

Most things in life that seem to good to be true, usually aren't.

Good advice. I'll stick to Stan's videos and I'll leave this area.
 
I think your our better off just to keep messing with it, teaching someone to aim is a tall task. You have the instructions..now you must learn it through your eyes.

Forget about seeking help with these guys, you don't get it or agree with them, sheit starts to fly your way.

Don't spend to much thinking your going to be firing balls in behind a curtain, its not needed playing REAL pool.

Being baited is the common theme in these aiming threads. The truth be told, who's really done the baiting.

Most things in life that seem to good to be true, usually aren't.

so digging up a 5 year old thread to make the same point he's making in current threads isn't baiting?

I beg to differ. I put up a response to him 30 minutes ago with some very good points, iNSIGHT, into Pro 1, and he's made no comment at all. He has no intention of working on it or using it.
 
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I think most all good shooters look at cue ball last. Why not, if you don't hit the cueball correctly nothing else matters and it's the easiest visual in the game. That said, everybody misses, so forget that goal. Seeing edges, lines, contact points is the hard part regardless of the system used. The object is to learn what the visuals should look like, and that can be done on paper. At the table, if you can see a good visual on a certain shot then you can trust it and shoot it. If you can't see it, don't just assume it's there somewhere and shoot anyway, try a way you have more faith in. I use Pro one on most shots, but after over 2 years there are shots I have trouble seeing, so I either start over and try to get a better visual with more focus, or try a contact point or ghost ball visual. There is no magical solution that makes every ball without accurate use on your part. I'm not to the point of 100% accuracy with any system and most aren't. Missing is part of the process, and so a strategy of knowing how to miss is sometimes the best choice.

With fractional and contact point type systems you have to determine a certain part of an object ball at some distance away, and then aim at that point from some distance away. That is not easy even if you can see that point precisely, much less hit it precisely. The thing with Pro One is you never have to worry about a contact point, although if you know about where it is it can be a visual check to reassure you are using the correct perception for the shot. I can visualize a CTE line and say a Edge to A line as easily as I can 1/4 or 3/8" of a ball. The thing is when using the lines, I don't have to aim down either one of them, just use them to position my visual perception of the shot, approach the cueball, either to center or whatever english I wish, and fire the shot. The target is hitting the cueball correctly, and without aiming at anything else, So yes, cueball definitely last, and without guessing at a fraction of a sphere 5 or 7 feet away.

Definitely some good stuff there. Sorry I missed your post earlier. I think you're wrong about "most players looking at CB last" however. Maybe we should start a poll.
 
I am just curious what one of the games foremost authorities has to say about CTE and all aiming systems. I'm sure if he bought into it, you'd be quoting him everywhere. I don't use fractional aiming except for an occasional 1/2 ball hit. I love seeing that relationship proven by "Poolology". Not sure what I use. I just try to send the whole cue ball to the OB. I may be too old to even see edges. But, if there is something magical out there, I want it. Right now, my last look is at the OB, and I'd love to have the latitude to last look at the CB to insure I'm hitting it like I want. After all, who doesn't want to never miss again? Making balls into blind pockets with a curtain up would be nice too.


http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#pro-one

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#CTE

Lou Figueroa
 
Nah, I don't want a war with anyone. I'm just looking for an insight to CTE Pro 1, and I see from this 5 year old thread that I'm not the only one that's had trouble over the years. What I don't understand is why you defenders have such big chips on your shoulders over this system. It's almost like you think you're defending something that is indefensible but I haven't determined that for sure yet. If and when I decide it's not for me, I'll leave it to you.

We defend CTE because we use it and love it.
Why must we defend it is the question.
Why have certain people cared what we used.
Why not just let us do what we do.
We let you do what you do without criticism.
Some have devoted 20+ years putting down CTE, Why? Pretty sad life if you ask me.
 
Nah, I don't want a war with anyone. I'm just looking for an insight to CTE Pro 1, and I see from this 5 year old thread that I'm not the only one that's had trouble over the years. What I don't understand is why you defenders have such big chips on your shoulders over this system. It's almost like you think you're defending something that is indefensible but I haven't determined that for sure yet. If and when I decide it's not for me, I'll leave it to you.

That answer is real simple. It's because you say you want to learn, others help you with info and homework, and you refuse to listen or do the homework and instead ask the same questions again and again while claiming that no one will help you.

You also have stated several times that you are essentially looking for some magic system. There isn't one. They all take work.
 
That answer is real simple. It's because you say you want to learn, others help you with info and homework, and you refuse to listen or do the homework and instead ask the same questions again and again while claiming that no one will help you.
You also have stated several times that you are essentially looking for some magic system. There isn't one. They all take work.
I'm beginning to think pool players are like golfers. I never played golf but my brother did and there were magazines galore laying around about 'Hogan said this', 'Nicklaus said this', 'Player said that'...on an on it went.
When it's all settled and done, I guess a person picks out what works best for them and puts in all the hours of work to perfect it. And.......some just don't have the goods to be great at the entire game, no matter how hard they try different things.
Wilt Chamberlain, one of the best pro basketball players who ever lived, struggled with free throws for his entire career...trying different methods. The free throw shot was his nemesis...why? Who knows...maybe it just wasn't meant for him to be good at them.
If CTE works for a lot of players, then that's great. It's working okay for me.
I do not understand why many people have some kind of crusade to trash the CTE idea at every opportunity.
I don't believe that a Catholic Priest can transform wine into the blood of Christ at Holy Communion, either, but I'm not going to spend hours and years trashing the concept.
Live and let live is a pretty good practice, in my way of thinking, as long as nobody is getting hurt.
 
We defend CTE because we use it and love it.
Why must we defend it is the question.
Why have certain people cared what we used.
Why not just let us do what we do.
We let you do what you do without criticism.
Some have devoted 20+ years putting down CTE, Why? Pretty sad life if you ask me.

It's like they are trying to somehow make a certain fractional system seem better by slandering a system that is better and more popular. Fractional systems are ok to help some people get in the vicinity of the contact point, but are anything but precise for a large variety of shots. If you can see a point in the middle of a ball well enough to aim at it and hit it from several feet away, just shoot the contact point. It's much easier to locate.
 
That answer is real simple. It's because you say you want to learn, others help you with info and homework, and you refuse to listen or do the homework and instead ask the same questions again and again while claiming that no one will help you.

You also have stated several times that you are essentially looking for some magic system. There isn't one. They all take work.

I never wrote "no one would help me". I wrote that I think I need to see someone demonstrate it in person and there is no one around this area to do that. This is my last post asking questions about CTE pro 1. I can see that everybody that uses it and tries to defend it has been abused on here and I don't want to be part of that. I own the DVDs and have computers to watch Stan on Youtube. So, I'll "dig it out of the dirt" or drop it.
 
I never wrote "no one would help me". I wrote that I think I need to see someone demonstrate it in person and there is no one around this area to do that. This is my last post asking questions about CTE pro 1. I can see that everybody that uses it and tries to defend it has been abused on here and I don't want to be part of that. I own the DVDs and have computers to watch Stan on Youtube. So, I'll "dig it out of the dirt" or drop it.

What exactly happened when you tried it at the table?
 
What exactly happened when you tried it at the table?

Tried a straight shot side to side. I don't know what to come down aligned on, and when I move the cue 1/2 tip to CCB, it looks horrible. That ball is not going in.
 
Tried a straight shot side to side. I don't know what to come down aligned on, and when I move the cue 1/2 tip to CCB, it looks horrible. That ball is not going in.

Whoa!! Back the bus up here... You have all these posts about CTE, how you have watched so many videos, read so much about it, can't get it to work right, and you haven't even taken one single shot yet???

ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME????
 
Whoa!! Back the bus up here... You have all these posts about CTE, how you have watched so many videos, read so much about it, can't get it to work right, and you haven't even taken one single shot yet???

ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME????

How many would you shoot with the above conditions before you give up? No need to try and belittle me on here. I'll get someone to show it to me eventually or sell the damn DVDs like so many others have done.
 
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How many would you shoot with the above conditions before you give up? No need to try and belittle me on here. I'll get someone to show it to me eventually or sell the damn DVDs like so many others have done.

Look, I'm not belittling you, you are doing a fine job of that yourself. I am a little perturbed that I have wasted my time with a guy that has been given quite a bit of help, a LOT of benefit of the doubt, and hasn't even done enough work to even shoot one complete shot!

All you say you have read, how is it that you never once caught the many multiple times I and many others have stated that when first leaning it, even though it doesn't look right, shoot it anyways and observe what happens?

How many times have I told you to simply follow the directions? Yet, you refuse to do that. Why is that? Just because you want some magical system so you never miss and don't have to do any work to achieve that level? You have been told that no system like that exists. They all require work on your part.

Why aren't you doing what the DVD tells you to do? Don't go blaming the DVD when you won't even follow the steps it gives you to do.

But please, if that is the attitude you are going to take, then please sell the DVD and never even mention CTE again. As Stan has stated, this is a professional system. If you aren't willing to do the work, don't expect to achieve any level of satisfaction with it. If you are willing to work at it, you will find many on here more than willing to help. Mirza can attest to that fact. And he is very happy that he put in the work.

And, if that sounded like a butt chewing, that's because it was. You earned that one. Now, you have to ask yourself- are you going to tuck tail and run, or are you going to man-up and start listening and actually doing the work? One way nets you nothing. The other way requires your time, patience, and rewards you with much more confidence when playing and better results when playing. It's up to you.
 
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