Is there an established system for discussing stroke speed?

I really don't get it, what is your problem man? I loathe confrontations of all kind, but this is getting really ridiculous! You word games are a waste of time. Objective this, contrivance that...People are trying to improve at this game so hard, and all you do is shoot things down.

Please enlighten us all, how YOU think one should go about telling someone about how to improve their speed control? I don't need to see you beat the 10 ball ghost or anything like that. Just tell us one tip, give us one tidbit of your wisdom.

I get it, since the CTE thing is closed off to you, you go after the next 3 letter acronym. Surely it can't be that simple? I was thinking about burning this whole forum bridge, you know go out with a bang, but I'll start with you. Please put me on your ignore list. I have no time for people who are only looking for a fight, and contributing nothing.

For what it's worth this is what I found, having spent most of my spare time the last few years working on my game. I don't play games, don't care about your alliances or your buddy, buddy systems and shill accounts:
Speed work is stroke work. Simple as that. If you have a good stroke, your speed control will be at least decent. Pull back, pause, bring cue forward and push the cue trough the ball. When you start feeling the "push" your speed control will improve, at least mine did. Oh, and vary the length of pull back and follow through, soft shot=short pullback, short follow through etc.

Well, I'm off to spend about 3-4 hours doing drills, mostly line up and cross variations on the snooker table (along with other such exercises), followed by a "sparring" straightpool match against the best pool player in the region (IMO) as he doesn't play many tournaments these days. I do this almost every day, and I go through great lengths to make time for this. It's not just a hobby for me, anymore, it's my passion. What are YOU doing to improve your knowledge and skill at the game?

Oh, I forget, it's AZB,you know everything and all beat the 15 ball ghost blindfolded. I'm not lying when I say I learn something new every day in this game or carom or snooker, even if it's just details. But on here everyone knows everything allready...bah humbug!

Well, I'm a bit sorry to have upset you so. I've usually found your threads & posts to be on the insightful side.

I hope you continue to learn & get better.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

PS I have no idea where you got the idea that I have any other membership. I've served my bans & never even tried to get another account. Some people in this world are honest. I would be interested to know what other member you think that I might be. That should be interesting
 
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Thanks for sharing Shaun Murphy with us. While it appears that most of his videos are about snooker, I love all of the ones I have read so far.

GRIP? "Lay the cue on the table and pick it up." :smile: That is the ultimate KISS principle.

I hesitate to get on his channel and suggest that he put up some videos that are primarily aimed at pool vs. snooker. I'll still give him attaboys.

JoeyA
 
Well, I'm a bit sorry to have upset you so. I've usually found your threads & posts to be on the insightful side.

I hope you continue to learn & get better.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

PS I have no idea where you got the idea that I have any other membership. I've served my bans & never even tried to get another account. Some people in this world are honest. I would be interested to know what other member you think that I might be. That should be interesting

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that YOU have shill accounts. I edited my post several times and did something wrong I guess. I'll delete that statement. The sentence was supposed to be adressed to the forum as a whole.

I won't reply to any more of your posts but I think that fact should be set straight. Otherwise I stand behind my post 100%. Feel free to ignore me, in fact you should, since you are not interested in answering any of my questions. GTG, my buddy just texted me, asking why I'm not at the hall today, lol.
 
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that YOU have shill accounts. I edited my post several times and did something wrong I guess. I'll delete that statement. The sentence was supposed to be adressed to the forum as a whole.

I won't reply to any more of your posts but I think that fact should be set straight. Otherwise I stand behind my post 100%. Feel free to ignore me, in fact you should, since you are not interested in answering any of my questions. GTG, my buddy just texted me, asking why I'm not at the hall today, lol.

Well thanks for clearing that up.

I have not realized that I have not answered any questions that you have directed to me. I thought I had answered questions even if my answers were not to your liking. That said, I may not have followed orders as I am not too keen on being told what to do.

If you have a specific question that I have not answered & you would still like an answer, then please ask it again.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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How far the CB travels is not a good way to measure stroke speed.

The same speed stroke used for a near straight in shot when used for a high angle shot will have the CB travel farther than the near straight in shot.

Sometimes there is a need to open clusters meaning the energy in the CB will be used up in moving other balls and not traveling as if it had not hit any other balls.

No matter how you try, you cannot communicate stroke speed in any useful manner.

This shows the limitations words have in describing somethings. In some Aikido training, there is no words spoken to describe the moves. The student is shown the move and it is up to them to figure out how to do it since no words can be used to explain how to do it.

Pool is a lot like this.

Oh and English..........STFU already.

Exactly!!!! But you can assign a number value based on how far the cue ball alone will travel. The whole point of the OPs original thread was how to convey shot speed from 1 person to another, a few people seem to be forgetting this. It can be done using the above mentioned method. I have only been playing for just over 5 years now. This is how I learned different shot speeds. Cant is a bad word to use, were we not all taught that cant means wont????
 
You were doing okay up until the last part.

We have numbers NOW & Quarterbacks, outfielders, basketball players, etc. do NOT assign numbers for different speeds of full arm motions for different distances.

Also, pro golfers do NOT assign numbers for different speeds of full length swings to hit the ball different yardages. They use different lengths of swing for different yardages & they are playing for more than $1,000,000.00 at every weekly tournament.

I think THAT should be very telling. If full length swings at different speeds was the best method for doing that, I am rather sure that that would be how they would be doing it given the money, year long exemptions to continue playing, qualifying for The Masters, the prestige, & all that.

I have a question for you. Are you using a full back swing & full finsih for all of the different speeds that you want to hit other than less than lag speed?

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

PS It is like Duckie said, it is contrivance in order to have something to teach related to that subject.

It seems to me that you are not trying to answer the OPs original question. You just want to argue with anyone who does not share your point of view as you have done time and again.
 
It seems to me that you are not trying to answer the OPs original question. You just want to argue with anyone who does not share your point of view as you have done time and again.

Please see my next post first.

It seems that you have not read all of my posts, especially the one's between StraighPool99 & myself.

I will not go into it again as that may again upset some that might have calmed down, but I would suggest that you go back & read my posts that are on topic.

One member pretty much summed up the practicality of the situation.

No offense intended, but it seems that you just do not want yto hear any criticism of the process that you have gone through whether you paid for it or not & you are not alone in that regard.

There are many that have paid for 'things' & do not want to know that they perhaps wasted their time & money. I've received rather many PMs that have told me just that & they realized while it was going on.

Did they say anything then? No. Many are polite & will ONLY voice buyers remorse in certain situations.

If your're doing well with your speed control then that is all that matters whether it was the drills orr merely the 5 years of experience that is responsible matters not.

Best Wishes for You & Yours...

& please take no offense as none was intended.
 
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As many others have said, this is a coaching question and the only people you really have to coach on this are lower level players.

I use lag speed as my base line as most of my 2-4 APA players know lag speed. It's the rare shot that requires more than 150% of lag speed. So mostly I just tell them something a little more or a little less than lag speed. and that gets the job done for low APA players.

When certain safety shots require very little speed - a diamond or 2 (and amateurs have a terrible time hitting super soft) I tell them to bridge as close to the cue ball as possible - 1 or 2 inches and then hit soft.

No one has problem hitting hard. If it takes a hard hit, I just say "hit it hard and make sure you stay down on your shot". You can't coach more precisely than that with low APA players.

In an ideal world, league players would drill 1 diamond hits, 3 diamond hits, 1 table hits, 1.5 table hits etc and know what each feels like. And in my experience with National APA teams, the low handicap players have learned this.

If you need to talk to your 5+ APA players about speed this precisely, then they're not really 5+

Here is the post that pretty much says it all regarding the original topic of this thread.
 
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Goldcrown,
I thought I was clear.

Any further personal attacks will be addressed.

No more warnings.
 
Goldcrown,
I thought I was clear.

Any further personal attacks will be addressed.

No more warnings.

Warning takin. I'm done. Did not realize I was issued a warning. I'm clear. Crystal. No disrespect to you or the forum rules.
 
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TAR Podcast #22 with Johnny Archer and Francisco Bustamante, 59.30 min.

I guess Francisco Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan also have no idea how wrong they are ?

If your method works for you, that's fine. But most top players will tell you that they control speed with their grip. If they want to speak about stuff like that......

But Johnny said he wants the same grip pressure all the time, the PI players have different pressures for different strokes.
 
But Johnny said he wants the same grip pressure all the time, the PI players have different pressures for different strokes.

If you think it is just the PI players that are doing that, you need to talk to some good players in your area.
 
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I don't have much of a problem with speed control playing pool, in playing billiards however it's a much different story,

Perhaps you should learn some different techniques rather than just contrived definitions & the assigning of numbers.

When you say "billiards" are you meaning the game or the type of shot?

Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
But Johnny said he wants the same grip pressure all the time, the PI players have different pressures for different strokes.

Yes, I saw that in the video as well. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if even Johnny tightens his bridge hand on occasion. We all loosen and tighten our bridge (striving for the best bridge) and who hasn't unintentionally or intentionally not tightened their stroking hand?

TAR (The Action Report- Justin Collett/JCIN) made some valuable contributions to the pool world with those podcasts.

JoeyA
 
Perhaps you should learn some different techniques rather than just contrived definitions & the assigning of numbers.

When you say "billiards" are you meaning the game or the type of shot?

Best Wishes for You & Yours.


Billiard games straight rail, speed is your moma,
I don't know any techniques for learning speed other than playing and applications of shots
 
Billiard games straight rail, speed is your moma,
I don't know any techniques for learning speed other than playing and applications of shots

I agree with your last statement but there are bio-mechanical techniques that can assist the execution & that is to what I was referring that perhaps you should experiment.

AZB is not the place that is conducive to the discussion of those in many instances.

Look at what Busty said in that TAR Podcast. That's a hint of the things that are available.

It's wrong to consider the contact of a wooden cue & leather tip with a phenolic ball as a rigid material collision.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick
 
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