Is This A Difficult Shot For Most?

lmac007
Really wish you would make paragraphs
Your posts are not readable to me yet i know you have alot to offer
 
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lmac007
Really wish you would make paragraphs
Your posts are not readable to me yet i know you have alot to offer
Your definition of a paragraph and mine must be different. I’ve edited what I wrote into snippets, definitely not paragraphs. Hope it works for you.
 
Part of the trouble with shots like the 6 ball is the closeness of the rail. A cue ball struck too hard will only travel on the tangent line, not draw. If hard enough the side spin often fails to react until the second rail.
Interesting... I think coming down table at all with the use of draw is a mistake here. No real advantage to be gain imo. If I weren't to play for the opposite rail like I suggested earlier. My choice would be to strike downward on the CB with heavy siding. I'm a pretty flat cuer normally so this striking angle may be more "normal" for most. The point would be to pop the CB off the OB and get the siding to dig into the first rail. That downward angle would impart some draw, but nothing notable.

I think my thoughts above are more driven from my personal table (which I've been stuck on for months), that has worn cloth and the CB tends to bite into the rails. I wouldn't have to worry about the siding not taking hold on that first rail. I wouldn't get the action necessary to follow the OP's desired path, but it would definitely get me to center of the table.
 
Your definition of a paragraph and mine must be different. I’ve edited what I wrote into snippets, definitely not paragraphs. Hope it works for you.
Thank you very much for posting
“in snippets”
It is much easier to read and learn from👍😃
 
That downward angle would impart some draw, but nothing notable.
The angle adds to resistance, or friction. There is a direct correlation between the friction and how soon the english is able to gain traction. The newness of bed cloth, rail cloth and their cleanliness and humidity conditions all factor into the end reaction. I initially spread my wings and learned to fly on a snooker table. Between table nap, heavier cloth and extra swerve when applying a downward stroke and draw, I developed a healthy respect of the frailty of accuracy. The tighter the pockets the more slight adjustments for throw and deflection factor into your intuitive sense of the shot. Learning to play on worsted cloth vs napped forced some unhappy reality checks. Adding some elevation helped me get back some of the effects I enjoyed on the nap.
 
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^^^^^
this is a small position zone
only upper level players can be that precise
 
^^^^^
this is a small position zone
only upper level players can be that precise
Better players have a degree of independence from the pocketing. IOW, they're on a shot where the object ball ends in the pocket - end of concern. Having achieved that, the next step is independence of speed from the shot. This is where precise landings come from. They are functionally rolling the white ball where it needs to land. Maybe they should teach this stuff at the intermediate stage.
 
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I see this as the optimal zone. There is more than a 2 diamond tolerance in pace going across and off the rail or not. I prefer to bounce off the rail.
 
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You have to pocket the 6B and then draw back for position on the 7B. The measles CB is where I start and the plain white CB is where I would like to end up.

If you hit it too hard you will have a thin cut on the 7B. And if you hit it too soft you would more than likely run into the 9B when pocketing the 7B. Unless you hit it just a hair too soft have just a slight angle where you can pocket the 7B with low left and draw off the rail for the 8B.

I struggle with this shot. Seems like I am always either too hard or too easy and hose myself.

r/DCP
U might b better off to stay above side pocket.U can get in trouble quicker going below.The angle gets a lot steeper below. Fwiw.


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U might b better off to stay above side pocket.U can get in trouble quicker going below.The angle gets a lot steeper below. Fwiw.


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Above the side, you start flirting with a hook on the 9. The difference is just a few degrees of the first rail. Also up there even if you land clear you'd have to carom into the 8.
 
Dr Cue has not been back to tell everyone he only wants comments on the way he diagrammed and played it. Are you OK Dr?
 
Above the side, you start flirting with a hook on the 9. The difference is just a few degrees of the first rail. Also up there even if you land clear you'd have to carom into the 8.
I think we're experiencing a lost in personal translation moment.

"Above" the side pocket = "up" table = end that contains the head string...

I never understood why people would consider the section the table containing the foot spot, as the "top".

Below side pocket = near foot spot
Above side pocket = near head string
 
View attachment 584036I see this as the optimal zone. There is more than a 2 diamond tolerance in pace going across and off the rail or not. I prefer to bounce off the rail.
...and the biggest/easiest portion of that optimal zone to land in is above the side pocket. Could have sworn that someone said earlier the thread that this would be the best percentage play... ;)

From anywhere within that zone 'above' the side pocket, all you have to do is roll the 7 to get good on the 8. Even if you manage that small zone near the side pocket and have the angle to play the stun/draw to get above the 8 to play it in the nearest corner. You're still better off rolling forward, then hoping you hit the draw perfectly.

Thanks for taking the time to post this altered diagram.
 
... I never understood why people would consider the section the table containing the foot spot, as the "top". ...
Snooker tables have the "top" cushion by the black ball. It's tradition rather than logic. But I think pool tables have been as you say for a long time.
 
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