Is This A Foul?

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This Happened Last Week In My Pool League.
Person Shooting Drops The Chalk, Bounces Off Rail And Hits Cueball, Moving Cueball.
We Are A Bca Rules 8ball League.
Is This A Foul?

In This Instance No One Called It A Foul Or Even Discussed It. It Was Mentioned To Me After The Fact. It Got My Curiosity Aroused.
I Could'nt Find Anything In The Rules That I Currently Have.
 
This very foul was called by Steve Tipton against Vivian Villareal at the 1996 WPBA Brunswick New York Classic at the Amsterdam Billiard Club. It was at a critical moment in a late round match and Vivian was eliminated in that match. She was pretty pissed off about it, butl, as others have noted, it was a foul, and the right call was made.
 
I called a foul once years ago when an opponent in moving the coin out of the way dropped it on the cueball in a one-pocket match. He got very upset, paid what he owed me and quit playing. An old-timer told me it wasn't a foul. I told him according to the rules it was. He told me to forget the rules and don't call any dumb fouls on opponents when I am favored. I have probably let about a hundred fouls go since then.

So a word of advice, do not call ticky-tack fouls that are going to make you look anal, forget what the rules say. There are guys who have done this and the opponent they have called it on and the people watching never forget or forgive them.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
I called a foul once years ago when an opponent in moving the coin out of the way dropped it on the cueball in a one-pocket match. He got very upset, paid what he owed me and quit playing. An old-timer told me it wasn't a foul. I told him according to the rules it was. He told me to forget the rules and don't call any dumb fouls on opponents when I am favored. I have probably let about a hundred fouls go since then.

So a word of advice, do not call ticky-tack fouls that are going to make you look anal, forget what the rules say. There are guys who have done this and the opponent they have called it on and the people watching never forget or forgive them.

Wayne
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i didn't call foul. i run the pool league. had this been brought to my attention during the match, i would have had to make the call. i was pretty sure that it was a foul, just wanted some opinions from azers.
i agree, i've let people get away with the "technical" fouls, i just want to play, not be an ass****. some people act like it's the end of the world if they lose a match in a pool league. F*** that, have fun. i listen to so much pissing and whining about handicaps and subs and stupid crap, that i'm contemplating dumping the league. takes only a couple crybabies to ruin it for everyone.
thanks to all that have replied so far.
 
What about this one??

Player A scratches and player B picks up the cueball.

He moves to set up the shot and as he is placing it down it slips out of his
hand and goes in the side pocket. It did not hit any other balls and he did not have it placed there and accidently knock it in but rather it had not been set down yet.
I saw it happen but did not know the rule.


I had a foul called on me about a week ago for laying my cue down on the table and not keeping a hand on it. I laid it down and adjusted my pants a
little and he said it was a foul. He quoted some scripture about not being
able to let go of the cue. I think it pertained to aiming but he was trying to
be a stickler. I told him I was going to keep shooting and for him to protest it.
not sure about that one either. The cue was not even near the shot.
 
frankncali said:
What about this one??

Player A scratches and player B picks up the cueball.

He moves to set up the shot and as he is placing it down it slips out of his
hand and goes in the side pocket. It did not hit any other balls and he did not have it placed there and accidently knock it in but rather it had not been set down yet.
I saw it happen but did not know the rule.


I had a foul called on me about a week ago for laying my cue down on the table and not keeping a hand on it. I laid it down and adjusted my pants a
little and he said it was a foul. He quoted some scripture about not being
able to let go of the cue. I think it pertained to aiming but he was trying to
be a stickler. I told him I was going to keep shooting and for him to protest it.
not sure about that one either. The cue was not even near the shot.
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You see that on TV all the time. The player puts down the cue ball, looks at the shot again and then moves the cue ball befoe taking the shot. Just saw that a couple days ago on ESPN showing WPBA.
 
frankncali said:
... I had a foul called on me about a week ago for laying my cue down on the table and not keeping a hand on it. I laid it down and adjusted my pants a little and he said it was a foul. He quoted some scripture about not being able to let go of the cue. I think it pertained to aiming but he was trying to be a stickler. I told him I was going to keep shooting and for him to protest it. not sure about that one either. The cue was not even near the shot.
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There are three problems here. I assume it was your opponent who called the foul. You must stop play while the appeal/ruling occurs. It is unsportsmanlike conduct to simply continue play while a protest is in progress. I hope it's clear why this is so.

It is presently a foul under BCA/WPA rules to take your hand off your cue stick while using it for lining up a shot. For example, if you are lining up a bank, you are not permitted to lay the stick on the table in the intended direction and walk to the other end of the table to see how the line looks from there. Putting your stick down to tighten your belt is not a violation of this rule. Your opponent wasn't being a stickler - he was either confused or trying to shark/cheat you.

Finally, the "you can't use your stick to aim" rule is bogus and broken, and needs to be removed from the rules. Using the stick to aim, even if you take your hand off it, does not give you any unfair advantage. The rule just turns players, like your opponent, into nastly little twits.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Finally, the "you can't use your stick to aim" rule is bogus and broken, and needs to be removed from the rules. Using the stick to aim, even if you take your hand off it, does not give you any unfair advantage. The rule just turns players, like your opponent, into nastly little twits.
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Agreed... That's a lame rule.

The same affects might be better achieved by just maintaining a shot clock (30, 45 seconds, or maybe even a minute per shot). Then, just allow the player to do whatever they want within that reasonable time frame. If the player wants to use their stick for alignment, or arm, or leg.... who cares... If they are using some off the wall aiming technique, then it's going to use up their time, and they won't be able to focus as well on other aspects of the game. The question is can the player stroke it and make it, and maintain enough control of the cue ball in order to pocket all the balls for the win.

Then, if you really want to go the extra mile, allow each player to have an extension or two, just like the pros do.

If someone takes longer than that, then they deserve to be called for a foul.
 
Bob Jewett said:
There are three problems here. I assume it was your opponent who called the foul. You must stop play while the appeal/ruling occurs. It is unsportsmanlike conduct to simply continue play while a protest is in progress. I hope it's clear why this is so.

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In a weekly league match it would be impossible to stop until it was resolved.
We did stop when he called it. Then we asked a few other league members and they all told him he was wrong. I told him I agreed with what he was saying but that I did not use the cue to aim. He said it did not matter.
It was the last match and his team needed to win 3 or for matches that
night to have a shot at playoffs. It was 4-0 when we started.
I told him if the league operator said it was a foul then he could have the match. We did try phoning the LO but we did not get him.
It ended alright and he had settled down (he never really got that bent up).
 
Thanks fot the help guys.

What about the one where the guy was taking ball in hand and accidently dropped the cueball and it went into the pocket?


(quoted)
He moves to set up the shot and as he is placing it down it slips out of his
hand and goes in the side pocket. It did not hit any other balls and he did not have it placed there and accidently knock it in but rather it had not been set down yet.
I saw it happen but did not know the rule.
 
frankncali said:
Thanks fot the help guys.

What about the one where the guy was taking ball in hand and accidently dropped the cueball and it went into the pocket?


(quoted)
He moves to set up the shot and as he is placing it down it slips out of his
hand and goes in the side pocket. It did not hit any other balls and he did not have it placed there and accidently knock it in but rather it had not been set down yet.
I saw it happen but did not know the rule.
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For that answer you may have to get a bit more specific about what rules (APA, BCA, VNEA, bar rules...) are in effect here.
 
FLICKit said:
For that answer you may have to get a bit more specific about what rules (APA, BCA, VNEA, bar rules...) are in effect here.
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This was in an APA match.
 
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