Is this a Gold Crown ?

[kickserves]

I am looking into buying this table and it looks to me like a GC4, but it has no markings or labels anywhere. I tried looking at the underside of the slate, but again... nothing. Could any one take a look at these pics and let me know if this is a GC or what it is

Another point if it helps is that the slate is held up by 4 horizontal thick beams about 3-4 inches by 1.5 inches or so and there are 2 thick beams that run vertically. The owner bought it used and have no clue what the table is.

It has a gap between one of the pockets as it's missing a bolt. How easy is it to get a replacement bolt?

The slate has this going through it, but it's not a crack when i ran my fingers over it.

 

[kickserves]

Couple more pics :

This is where the missing bolt goes, but the picture didn't come out right :

 

[A-1 billiards]

No! It's a knock off. Olio or Berenger. Many other private label versions come out of China and Taiwan.

Jay

 

[9-ball B]

Gold Crown?

Definitely not a gold crown.. my first thought was Olio too but Olio tables always have the name on them, usually on the ball box at the foot of the table. I would bet that it's from China or Taiwan. It's probably an O.k table at best, but not a Gold Crown.

 

[Billiard_Junkie]

Couple more pics :

This is where the missing bolt goes, but the picture didn't come out right :

Looks like a Canada Billiards Black Crown, good quality table that goes for about $4500. The counters look the same but weird no name plate.

http://canadabillard.com/black_crown_ii/p2018.aspx

 

[Billiard_Junkie]

http://canadabillard.com/black_crown_ii/p2018.aspx

They are used in a lot of pool halls in Ontario and Quebec.

 

[JMI]

Looks like a Chinese knockoff

 

[PoolTable911]

I have done that exact style table several time for American Heritage. STAY AWAY!

 

[kickserves]

Thanks for the replies guys. I will stay away. My search for a table goes on.

 

[tjohnson]

Interesting "slate" on that table. It appears to not be slate but a different kind of rock (phyllite or schist). The white line going across it is actually a part of the original rock: a crack that filled in with a white mineral, most likely quartz.

The problem with this kind of rock is that the mineral grains are typically much coarser than slate, and less uniform. Although it could be ground flat, it will never be as flat and smooth as slate because some of the swirly bands are composed of minerals that are harder than the surrounding bands. I suspect the pool-table manufacturer got these slabs as surplus from another kind of manufacturer and is re-purposing them for pool tables. One more reason to avoid this table.

 

[fastone371]

Is that a 7' table? It looks small.

 

[kickserves]

Is that a 7' table? It looks small.

44x88 playing surface. Measured it while I was there.

 

[PoolTable911]

Interesting "slate" on that table. It appears to not be slate but a different kind of rock (phyllite or schist). The white line going across it is actually a part of the original rock: a crack that filled in with a white mineral, most likely quartz.

The problem with this kind of rock is that the mineral grains are typically much coarser than slate, and less uniform. Although it could be ground flat, it will never be as flat and smooth as slate because some of the swirly bands are composed of minerals that are harder than the surrounding bands. I suspect the pool-table manufacturer got these slabs as surplus from another kind of manufacturer and is re-purposing them for pool tables. One more reason to avoid this table.

That is Chinese slate. Some are veiny like that. It is hit or miss on flatness. The veins make it tough to grind I guess.

 

[tjohnson]

That is Chinese slate. Some are veiny like that. It is hit or miss on flatness. The veins make it tough to grind I guess.

Exactly, and "slate" should be in quotes. Just like "Brunstone" isn't slate (it's sandstone), those Chinese slabs are phyllite or schist. Still a metamorphic rock like slate, but with a coarse grain size and uneven hardness. The darker parts are richer in mica and chlorite (soft) and the lighter parts are richer in feldspar and quartz (hard). Bad choice for a pool table surface...

 

[fastone371]

44x88 playing surface. Measured it while I was there.

That is another clue that tells you its not a Gold Crown. GCs were all 92" x 46" & 100" x 50". Either a Pro 8' or 9'

 

[Club Billiards]

I have done that exact style table several time for American Heritage. STAY AWAY!

Yup. Not a good table. Everything on it is MDF.

 

[realkingcobra]

Yep, not a GC, but it is on my list of "No amount of money" to work on